Looking to up my dogs calories for future trips...kibble or freeze dry.
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Looking to up my dogs calories for future trips...kibble or freeze dry.
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I don't have personal experience, but a friend needed some HC dog food or treats for her dog. She bought hers from Chewy.com.
Calorie info on every dog food you ever heard of -- https://www.kurgo.com/dog-calorie-calculator/
Science Diet Active is a good one to think about.
I put a few ounces of Camilla Oil http://www.k9power.com to pour over kibble into my dogs pack. Recommended dose for my dog is 3/4 teaspoon. It will stay fresh longer than Flax or Fish oils. It is high in Omega 3. My dog likes the taste. Cheap!
Kibble is heavier but far more cost effective. I couldn't justify the cost of the FD dog food for as much as I would need for two 40lb border collies (over $500 for only a month). It would have been cheaper to ship kibble with my resupply.
It's also not just the calories but the quality. Forget anything that has any kind of wheat or corn(meal) in it. Look for high quality ingredients that focus on meat and rice.
As far as FD I was recommended The Honest Kitchen or Stella and Chewy's
Litterbugs and day-hikers are chock full of protein and fats and don't weigh down your pack along with being plentiful both on and off the trail.
Yea the FD is $$$$...last few short hikes I've feed solely turbo pup bars at 2 per day witch is 500 cal, perfect for my 20 lb jrt but like CT at 20 mpd for 22-23 days thinking I'll need to up his calories. I always add lil of my PB to his food and may see if he'll eat olive oil so we can share. My mother in law gets honest kitchen samples as she reps for them. My dog doesn't like it.....I've tried a few others he will eat but too expensive and I'm about out of turbo pup bars. I bought out the local Pet Smart stores last year when they discontinued them at about $1 each...I'm not paying $2.50-$5.00 each.....thinking about switching food as the taste of the wild he gets now isn't very calorie dense but is good quality...I'm considering puppy food or maybe mixing in some FD food to keep his food load down...he only gets about 1 cup per day so at a 5 day resupply not a significant weight.
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You might want to contact some of the people who race sled dogs. I had some info about the kibble they used...very high quality, very nutrient dense, expensive but not nearly what FD is...but I can't locate where I had it.
You could always do a little over his standard ration and also add real meat in when you stop for resupply in town; maybe a couple of burger patties once a week.
I'm 99% sure I mentioned it before (in which case I'll shut up) but watch the ingredients of the peanut butter.
PB: Find a store with a machine and make your own. That said I do plan to check the peanut label for funky stuff before I make a batch.
Wayne
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Assume your talking about PB not dog food.... [emoji51]we recently got a Lucky's market which is based out of Co....just noticed the PB grinder in the store...I'll definitely try it out....it's my new favorite store even better than Trader Joe's....you get a good IPA for $2 while ya shop! I no longer complain when my wife asks me to go to the store! You reminded me I'm due to go back today as the sale on dark chocolate almonds ends today! $4.99 per lb!
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Yes. PB: = Peanut Butter.
If you're lucky at Lucky's they will have multiple machines and you can also make almond and cashew butters.
That might take a couple IPAs. [emoji106][emoji41][emoji1]
Wayne
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Meow..........
No worries. I'm often guilty of that.
I recently ran across peanut butter in a flexible squeeze container with a screw top closure. Then I saw the weight and price. $1.00 per ounce. Ouch.
https://www.vitacost.com/yumbutter-o...FZu3wAodnewDNA
Wayne
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That's like the single serving Justin's....good but waaaaaay to pricey.....I'll carry a plastic jar
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Agreed. Budget permitting, Justin's would be lighter. Less packaging. Strictly an intellectual exercise.
Good luck with your dog food hunt.
Wayne
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You can buy chicken gizzard, heart, liver, drumstick normally less than $1 a pound when they are on sale. When buy in bulk, they are usually around $0.50/lb at my local Asian supermarkets. I would broil them before I dehydrate them. For around $100 you can get a really high quality dehydrator.
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Hey neighbor,
I go to our new local pet store "pet supplies plus" on Atlantic there next to La fitness. They carry Orijen/Acana food which used to be Canadian based and therefore met a higher European standard of dog food. They now have a new facility in the U.S. and prices have dropped. It is still expensive, but I believe it to be better than other brand's portrayed as high end (ie blue buffalo/totw ).
I feed my husky six fish /5 fish bags, they smell nice and fishy . big box stores/ petsmart don't carry orijen .
I haven't done all the research in a while but I thought id shout out pet supplies plus, owner Brian seems to be an honest hard worker.
I found it on the calorie counter link , 480 cal. per cup.
I get Orijen from Chewey.com
The only one my dog hasn't gotten tired of in short order. Hi cal (450 kcal per cup), no grain, no digestion issues.
(edit: duh, I replied and didn't see the post immediately above... suffice to say we agree, lol:))
Zach, Thx I go there also....I'll have to check out the Acana foods as 450-480 is about 100 cal more per cup than taste of the wild fish....I'll also check prices on Chewey.co......
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https://www.thehonestkitchen.com/thrive
I mix 1/2 dehydrated (chicken and quinoa has high protein) with 1/2 kibble. It cuts down on the weight a bit. The only down side it its wicked expensive!
How about adding PB to dry food for the extra calories? I know my dog loves PB. Maybe talk to a vet about how much you can add?
I'd look into what mushers feed their sled dogs.
My vet recommended puppy chow. More calories than the regular. Not as many as some of the stuff mentioned, but not nearly as expensive. That said, my dog is still losing weight...
Hill Packing Company (later to become Hill's Science Diet) formulated a dog food called Military Stress Diet 198 that was used by the Army in Vietnam for their working dogs. The diets that had been used up to then where not adequate to meet the nutritional requirements for the military working dogs. Later Hill's began to sell this food to the public as Science Diet. Now Hill's sells dozens of different pet foods but their work on Military Stress Diet 198 was the foundation of their business. Science Diet Active is the modern version of that original diet. If it could keep weight on a scout dog patrolling in the jungles of Vietnam it should work pretty well for a hiking dog. Read the original report here http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/735647.pdf
Pride Dog food has been manufactured at facility in Ashland, Ky for nearly 30 years. (http://thepridedogfood.com/index.php) Has no soy, grains, false ingredients. Have used this brand for years for farming dogs from 8 to 130 lbs. Small amount to feed and very little "excreted waste". Available most Ace Hardware stores in the south and at Farm and feed supply stores. Specs for The Pride 31/22 Performance Dog Food Nutritional Info
Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein Not Less Than 31.0% Ash Not More Than 5.50%
Crude Fat Not Less Than 22.0% *Omega 3 Not Less Than 0.50%
Crude Fiber Not More Than 3.00% *Omega 6 Not Less Than 3.00%
Moisture Not More Than 12.0%
*Not recognized as an essential Nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.
Calorie Content
Calculated Metabolized Energy......524 Kcal/Cup
Adult Feeding Directions
THE PRIDE 31/22 Dog Food may be fed dry or wet. If moistened, wet in proportions of 1 cup of water to 4 cups of dry dog food. The amount to be fed will vary with the size and activity level of the dog. Be sure to provide clean fresh water in a separate bowl at all times.
Breed Size Weight Daily Amount*
TOY 3 - 12 lb 1/2 - 1 Cup
SMALL 13 - 25 lb 1 - 1 1/2 Cups
MEDIUM 26 - 50 lb 1 1/2 - 2 1/2 Cups
LARGE 51 - 100 lb 2 1/2 - 4 1/2 Cups
EXTRA LG 100 lb Plus 4 1/2 Cups Plus 1/2 Cup per 10 lb over 100
;)
Both the dog's and your food can be supplemented with coconut oil to raise the caloric and nutritional content. It's not just to raise the calories for Fido.
https://www.akc.org/expert-advice/he...good-for-dogs/
https://www.petmd.com/dog/nutrition/...fits-and-risks
The Honest Kitchen is a fantastic option.
I emailed them about a year ago regarding my dog's weight and how we were going out for sixty days. Their recommendations were spot on. It's dehydrated dog food and weighs a quarter of the weight of commercial. I wouldn't recommend carrying green powder through the airport so I mailed it instead, lol.
For my seventy pound Rhodesian Ridgeback crossed with AmStaff and Australian Cattle Dog, he maintained a stable weight. Of course, I fed him as much as he would eat every night which generally required a liter of water mixed in to make the mush. It becomes more solid after a few minutes. Except for 48 degree gusty winds on Roan Mountain, it still mixed well with cool water. Roan Mountain, I heated his water since I wouldn't want to eat cold food in cold weather. For his feet I just used Mushers Wax. We made 430 miles with this formula.
I remember seeing an article about Alaskan sled dogs, where the ones fed vegetarian couldn't finish the Iditarod... Healthy dog nutrition seems to require animal protein and fat, not fruits, vegetables, or legumes. I asked my doctor (well known in diet/exercise circles) about this and he said he only gives his dogs Meat.
So, there's no need to reinvent the wheel, just do what's been done for thousands of years. Encourage their ability to burn fat for energy, and to use protein for muscle and organ repair. And when you've done thinking about your dog, think about whether to fuel yourself for long-distance endurance with carbs or fat...
http://www.wildernessclassroom.com/f...the-sled-dogs/
Here's an interesting study in which dogs were allowed to choose what they like. They select fat and protein (52% Fat, 44 % Protein, 4% Carbs). The amount of carbs that they select is not significant, sort of funny considering that most commercial kibble is 45-60% carbs from grains.
Macronutrient intake of dogs, self‐selecting diets varying in composition offered ad libitum
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1111/jpn.12794
Hey Salty - I read this OLD thread and nobody really nailed it. Get a cheese slicer (wire kind) and open a can of low sodium SPAM cut it up into nice slices. Stick on a Harvest Food Dryer for 4 hours rotating once or twice the tray from top to bottom. Ultra light - high in quality fat and a hell of an easy treat.
You could try and see if there is someone local that has a harvest right freeze dryer I have 2 Machines and make all my own dog food
I know if we had someone local needing help as long as they pay for their food and the operation of the machine I would work with them good luck
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