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    Better yet, come down the trail to find the person in the middle of doing it a foot off the trail is fun. Seeing an embarrassed panicked look is always funny,

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    Quote Originally Posted by turtle fast View Post
    Better yet, come down the trail to find the person in the middle of doing it a foot off the trail is fun. Seeing an embarrassed panicked look is always funny,
    True story---I was on the Fodderstack trail at a sweet Nokia spot calling Little Mitten for the pickup evac date and suddenly a boisterous Turtlehead poked out and wanted fresh air in the worst way. Of course I was standing right on the BMT trail so I stashed the cellphone and dug an emergency cathole quickly with a stick and gave birth to an angry Turd about 21 inches long but folded in on itself. Sweet relief.

    Thing is, in the urgent squat I left the cellphone on for the next several days (I was out on a 17 day trip) and it was dead the next time I looked. This was a stool-induced EMP---an electromagnetic pulse causing all electronics to fail and caused by a turd. I had the common sense to bury the feisty thing but by then my radio was dead and my camera stopped taking pics. Be careful out there.

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    This went south in a hurry.

    As for the original list, avoiding shelters solves most of the problems.

    The others have to do with water sources.
    I'll agree that soaking your feet immediately upstream of where you are getting your water is a bit tacky. And if the only water source for miles is a small trickle of a spring that make a small puddle, leaving that alone would be good practice. But to extrapolate this to "don't bath or wash clothes at the water source" is a bit of a stretch. I'm OK with "Don't get soap in the water" as a rule. But IF the water source is a fast flowing stream, then yes I'm likely to soak my feet. And if it is a river or lake big enough to swim in, yes I might go for a swim. The easiest solution is just don't call this bathing.

    Maybe the only "rule" we really need is the golden rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odd Man Out View Post
    This went south in a hurry.



    Maybe the only "rule" we really need is the golden rule.
    So you're saying it's okay to pee in a creek?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipi Walter View Post
    True story---I was on the Fodderstack trail at a sweet Nokia spot calling Little Mitten for the pickup evac date and suddenly a boisterous Turtlehead poked out and wanted fresh air in the worst way. Of course I was standing right on the BMT trail so I stashed the cellphone and dug an emergency cathole quickly with a stick and gave birth to an angry Turd about 21 inches long but folded in on itself. Sweet relief.

    Thing is, in the urgent squat I left the cellphone on for the next several days (I was out on a 17 day trip) and it was dead the next time I looked. This was a stool-induced EMP---an electromagnetic pulse causing all electronics to fail and caused by a turd. I had the common sense to bury the feisty thing but by then my radio was dead and my camera stopped taking pics. Be careful out there.
    Pictures of the turd or it didn't happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by superman View Post
    Pictures of the turd or it didn't happen.
    Ha Ha but are you sure you want to see it??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odd Man Out View Post
    This went south in a hurry.

    As for the original list, avoiding shelters solves most of the problems.

    The others have to do with water sources.
    I'll agree that soaking your feet immediately upstream of where you are getting your water is a bit tacky. And if the only water source for miles is a small trickle of a spring that make a small puddle, leaving that alone would be good practice. But to extrapolate this to "don't bath or wash clothes at the water source" is a bit of a stretch. I'm OK with "Don't get soap in the water" as a rule. But IF the water source is a fast flowing stream, then yes I'm likely to soak my feet. And if it is a river or lake big enough to swim in, yes I might go for a swim. The easiest solution is just don't call this bathing.

    Maybe the only "rule" we really need is the golden rule.
    I don't mind at all when folks wash or bathe in the stream or lake. But it does bother me when I find leftovers in the bottom of the little seeping puddle I'm supposed to filter water from or in the concrete box with the pipe coming out of it for me to gather water. I like clean dishes, feet, hands, bodies, whatever as much as the next guy but I always wash mine downstream from the collection point if it's a spring and I'm at the source.

    That and the white flowers are really my only two pet peeves I consistently whine about while on the trail. And I'd still rather see both than be in my cubicle all day
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipi Walter View Post
    So you're saying it's okay to pee in a creek?
    The fish do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipi Walter View Post
    While I agree that humans can be thoughtless in the woods, and while I have seen tourist/dayhiker turds with tp laying in the headwaters of a spring...
    That's not something a tourist/dayhiker or any other person, regardless of how unexperienced they are in the backcountry does. That's an action of a person who is just sick in the head; they do those things very much on purpose, you have to go out of your way to do something like that.



    BTW, thanks to Mags for teaching me a new word: Kvetch. I know I'm not the only one who needed to look it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrcoffeect View Post
    Don't give unwanted advice, starting with phrases like "I know what your doing wrong." or "you know what your problem is."
    You-re doing it all wrong!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipi Walter View Post
    Ha Ha but are you sure you want to see it??
    No "look a like" turds will do. Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedaling Fool View Post
    BTW, thanks to Mags for teaching me a new word: Kvetch. I know I'm not the only one who needed to look it up
    Growing up in the northeast, a smattering of Yiddish and Neapolitan words pepper my vocabulary. Sometimes certain non-English words just fit so well!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wise Old Owl View Post
    You-re doing it all wrong!
    you know it felt wrong when i was doing it. But then I said what the heck, I've gone to far to stop now.

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    2 important comments !
    1 -- remember the golden rule
    2 -- I'ld rather step around a turd in the middle of the trail, than deal with all the up front turds I deal with at work, or in town, all the other time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by squeezebox View Post
    2 important comments !
    1 -- remember the golden rule
    ...
    (yes there was a 2nd one)

    I do wish and would like to see LNT more like the golden rule, as LNT stands it is more like the 10 commandments, instead of your actions directly effect the experience of others and can we take that into consideriation and possibly strive to make it better we get the LNT 'thou shalt not's' which does not really work for humans and really disconnects the reason for LNT from the rules of LNT.

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    "Kvetching" Okay I had to look it up too. Just hope my wife does not look it up. She will have found some new fuel to add to the fire.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipi Walter View Post
    Ha Ha but are you sure you want to see it??
    Hmmmm. This implies that you have pictures.....Scary. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mags View Post
    Growing up in the northeast, a smattering of Yiddish and Neapolitan words pepper my vocabulary. Sometimes certain non-English words just fit so well!
    As an Irish Italian New Englander who grew up with a lot of Jewish friends, I approve this message!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyle View Post
    Hmmmm. This implies that you have pictures.....Scary. :-)
    I DO have the necessary pics and would post them but I do not feel like getting banned again for a week.

    Reminds me of another story: I was camping on Slickrock Creek by Wildcat Falls---remote---and went on turtlehead patrol to give birth etc etc so I hiked BAREFOOT out of camp 50 feet and didn't see a load of human turds on the ground but found out soon enough when the wonderful substance squished thru my toes like Mud Butt so I ran down to the creek and did a foot washing. It was the best of times, worst of times, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipi Walter View Post
    While I agree that humans can be thoughtless in the woods, and while I have seen tourist/dayhiker turds with tp laying in the headwaters of a spring; or been bothered by loud alcohol-fueled screams and yells into the night; or have seen big bonfires with high winds---Still there are millions of places you can camp away from the bonobo humans, even on the AT. NEVER STAY AT OR NEAR A SHELTER. This is a no-brainer and yet thousands of newbies keep making the mistake over and over again.

    An AT backpacker can get his water at the shelter and then hike 2 miles up the trail to find a campsite never apparently used in the last 70 years. And it's comical to see AT hikers rushing by your campsite near the trail as they jog quickly at dusk to reach the all-important Rat Box. Let it go and avoid the car ports.

    Beyond all this, I went on a 19 day November trip and didn't see a soul. Then in January I went on a 24 day trip and saw no one for 23 or the 24 days. You need to get more solitude in different places---I recommend Tennessee as the resident population detests backpacking and/or walking (it's been engineered out of American society---only 13% of Americans "walk") and so you have boundless trails all to yourself.

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