What is the lightest canister stove and pot combination?

[FamilyGuy]

What is the lightest canister stove and pot combination with a minimum 550ML sized pot?

Thanks,

[RED-DOG]

I personally use a pocket rocket with a Titanium pot, but i do believe the lightest cannister stove would be a Optimus Crux Lite and Terra Solo Combo but i have seen a thing called Olicamp stove which is suppose to be the lightest cannister stove on the market but that is without the cook pot, but personally i would use a Alchy stove with a Fosters/Heinneken can for pot.

[rafe]

I personally use a pocket rocket with a Titanium pot

Same here. 1.3 liter pot. Burner attachment, cup, and plastic spoon go inside the pot while traveling.

[HooKooDooKu]

What I use personally (which seems to ALMOST be as light weight as you can get with commercial products) is the Snow Peak LiteMax with the MSR Titan Kettle.
The Titan Kettle is just the right size to store an MSR canister inside, and utilizing the concave area of the canister, I can include the LiteMax folded up under the canister.

Here's a SORTED list (by weight) of stoves mentioned that I can readily find commercially available (or a modern update that is commercially available).
All weights are rounded to 1 decimal point (some converted from published weights listed by other units).

Fire-Maple Hornet FMS-300T Mini-Stove = 1.6oz
Olicamp Ion Micro Stove = 1.6oz
Olicamp Kinetic Ultra Titanium Stove = 1.7oz
Snow Peak LiteMax = 1.9oz
MSR Microrocket = 2.6oz - excluding piezo igniter
Coleman F1 UltraLight = 2.7oz
MSR Pocket Rocket = 3.0oz
Optimus Crux Lite = 3.3oz
JetBoil Burner = 3.6oz


Here's a SORTED list (by weight) of pots mentioned so-far, that are currently commercially available (or a modern update that is commercially available).
All weights are rounded to 1 decimal point, all volumes are rounded to 100ml unless specified otherwise (some weights/volumes converted from values published in other units).

Snow Peak Titanium bowl = 1.8oz (590 ml) - No Lid
Evernew Titanium Pasta Pot = 3.3oz (700 ml)
Evernew Titanium Ultralight = 3.4oz (600 ml)
Stanco Grease Strainer = ~3.6oz (~2,500 ml) - Kmart Grease Pot**
Evernew Titanium Pasta Pot = 4.1oz (1,000 ml)
Evernew Titanium Ultralight = 4.1oz (900 ml)
MSR Titan Kettle = 4.2oz (850 ml)
Evernew Titanium Ultraligh = 4.6oz (1,300 ml)
Snow Peak Trek 700 Titanium = 4.8oz (700ml)
JetBoil Sol (Ti) = 5.1oz (800ml) - Pot+Cozy+Lid
Optimus Terra Solo = 5.6oz (600 ml)
Snow Peak Trek 900 Titanium = 6.2oz (900 ml)
JetBoil Sol (Al) = 6.3oz (800ml) - Pot+Cozy+Lid
Olicamp XTS = 6.7oz (1,000 ml)

Credits:
JetBoil Measurements: http://seattlebackpackersmagazine.co...w-jetboil-sol/
Evernew Titanium Measurements: Amazon.com
Olicamp Measurements: Amazon.com
Snow Peak Measurements: Backcountry.com
Fire-Maple Measurements: www.fire-maple.com
MSR Measurements: www.cascadedesigns.com
Stanco Grease Strainer/Kmart Grease Pot: Amazon.com / www.backpackinglight.com
**Weight for the Stanco Grease Strainer is an estimated weight for pot and lid. The backpacking light article lists a weight of 2.5oz, but Amazon.com lists a weight of 4.8oz. I'm assuming 2.5oz is for pot only.


NOTE: The BPL FireLite has been mentioned, but appears to no longer be available. Some initial googling for the FireLite made me mistakenly think this was a discontinued Evernew pot, hence the listing of Evernew pots even though no one has specifically mentioned them.

[Wise Old Owl]

What I use personally (which seems to ALMOST be as light weight as you can get with commercial products) is the Snow Peak LiteMax with the MSR Titan Kettle.
The Titan Kettle is just the right size to store an MSR canister inside, and utilizing the concave area of the canister, I can include the LiteMax folded up under the canister.

Olicamp Kinetic Ultra Titanium Stove = 1.7oz
Snow Peak LiteMax = 1.9oz
MSR Microrocket = 2.6oz
MSR Pocket Rocket = 3.0oz
Optimus Crux Lite = 3.3oz

MSR Titan Kettle = 4.2oz (0.85L)
Snow Peak Trek 700 Titanium cooker = 4.8oz (0.7L)
Optimus Terra Solo = 5.6oz (0.6L)

Awesome post - I hope you journal that!


matt your post above is a Olicamp but it matches the picture of Maple Fire... - which doesn't appear for purchase- looks like if you want a Maple fire you should Amazon search
Camping Backpacking Hiking Compact Lightweight Titanium Folding Micro Stove

[Matt65]

Awesome post - I hope you journal that!


matt your post above is a Olicamp but it matches the picture of Maple Fire...
Camping Backpacking Hiking Compact Lightweight Titanium Folding Micro Stove

Yes, the Hornet and Ion seem to be very similar.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-...42&startat=100


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[goody5534]

Soto Micro Regulator 2.6 oz works great in the cold... gotta still be the lightest and the best...

[kidchill]

Yep, the micro-rocket is slightly less weight. I used the micro for about half of my thru, until the threads wore out and the local outfitter only had the pocket rocket. I think the microrocket is like 2.5oz and the pocket rocket is 3.5oz. I used a snow peak titanium pot and coffee cup (5.7oz), and whichever cannister I could find for fuel. I have 8oz on my spreadsheet for weight. I also have the pocketrocket listed as 3oz. So, about a pound to have a hot meal.

[colorado_rob]

If you're going on a longer hike, make sure to include fuel efficiency in the mix. the Jetboil Sol ti weighs 8.9 ounces, certainly not as light as some stove/pot combos, but the fuel efficiency is about 30% greater (mostly because of the heat exchange on the bottom of the pot). this pays off if you're a big hot water user like myself and like to go a week at a time between resupplies.

[bigcranky]

We've been using a Coleman F1 Ultralight (yeah, laugh, but it's a darn good little stove and under 3oz) with either a 700 or 900ml Snow Peak Ti pot. It works well, fairly light, and does okay in light wind. The total kitchen weight for the 900ml pot, lid, cozy, stove, lighter, and my tiny cleanup kit is 11.5 oz. So not too bad.

But last month we did a long weekend hike and I did some fuel consumption testing, and we averaged 15 grams of fuel per meal, boiling 2-3 cups in the morning for coffee, and only 12 oz in the evening for noodles to share. This was in breezy conditions that kill the efficiency of a canister stove. Looking at our upcoming summer hike, that means that we'll need to carry multiple fuel canisters, which is a pain and negates any weight savings from a canister stove setup.

Found several good reviews of the Jetboil with regard to fuel efficieny, averaging 5g to boil 2 cups of water. But it's expensive and we already have a stove. Then the other day colorado_rob posted the link to the Jetboil Ti for $104, and I jumped on it. The stove came today and I did some side by side testing. Boiling two cups of tap water, outdoors with zero wind, the Jetboil used 5g of fuel and took 2:15, while my current setup used 7g of fuel and took 3:30. That makes the Jetboil 40% more efficient in no wind, which means a single small canister should last us more than a week, and a large canister almost three weeks. Not bad, and the faster boil time is nice though not necessary. The overall weight is anywhere from 9-11 ounces depending on what parts I bring.

(Thanks again, rob.)

[Odd Man Out]

Don't assume Titanium is the lightest pot. The Kmart Grease pot is much larger than 550 mL and only weight 2.5 g. You will need to rig a handle and a lid.

[July]

Don't assume Titanium is the lightest pot. The Kmart Grease pot is much larger than 550 mL and only weight 2.5 g. You will need to rig a handle and a lid.

Grease pot is aluminum. If you spend much time eating out of it, before long, you will have a thousand spoon scrapes throughout. Think of all that aluminum you have ingested...

[Odd Man Out]

Grease pot is aluminum. If you spend much time eating out of it, before long, you will have a thousand spoon scrapes throughout. Think of all that aluminum you have ingested...

The vast majority of the Al you will have ingested will come from your food, water, toiletries, and medicines, just like everyone else.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articl...29/1163941.htm

[July]

The vast majority of the Al you will have ingested will come from your food, water, toiletries, and medicines, just like everyone else.

http://www.abc.net.au/science/articl...29/1163941.htm

Thanks Odd Man, Al is present in a VAST amount of everyday use products. Just as informed people read 'labels' on the products that they purchase, to food choices, I would think that with all the choices of cookware, the "grease pot" is an option. I have used one in the past, now it makes a very nice sewing kit container in the cabin.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2782734/

[Another Kevin]

Grease pot is aluminum. If you spend much time eating out of it, before long, you will have a thousand spoon scrapes throughout. Think of all that aluminum you have ingested...

Aluminum metal and aluminum oxide have comparatively low bioavailability. You get a lot more aluminum exposure from the potassium aluminum sulfate that municipal water supplies use as a flocculant.

[rickb]

But last month we did a long weekend hike and I did some fuel consumption testing...

I have used the micro rocket for a total of two weekends and was wondering if the conventional wisdom regarding efficient fuel use is to turn up to full blast.

[Just Bill]

I have used the micro rocket for a total of two weekends and was wondering if the conventional wisdom regarding efficient fuel use is to turn up to full blast.

Not much of a stove nerd, but my understanding is yes- provided the flame spread doesn't spill over the sides of your pot too much.
If the flame spills over the side it's mostly wasted heat, and in that case you are better turning it down to match your pot.
The Olicamp has a very tight flame spread even at full blast.

I'm sure there's way more to it but that was my layman's understanding of the process.
That and short and wide beats tall and narrow, you know, the old girth versus length debate.

[zelph]

Not much of a stove nerd, but my understanding is yes- provided the flame spread doesn't spill over the sides of your pot too much.
If the flame spills over the side it's mostly wasted heat, and in that case you are better turning it down to match your pot.
The Olicamp has a very tight flame spread even at full blast.

I'm sure there's way more to it but that was my layman's understanding of the process.
That and short and wide beats tall and narrow, you know, the old girth versus length debate.

Flames spilling over the side of your pot ain't all that bad, read all about it in this thread:

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/show...09#post1892609

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[Tuckahoe]

Fire-Maple Hornet is 1.5oz --
http://www.fire-maple.com/en/productsinfo.aspx?pid=2
I dont own one though, so I cannot say much about it.

As for cook pots, there is a titanium Snow Peak bowl that is fairly light at 1.6 oz with a 20 fluid oz capacity -- http://www.rei.com/product/720286/sn...-titanium-bowl

And the tried and true Imusa 12cm mug with a 44 fluid oz capacity is 3.7oz

[Matt65]

I have an Olicamp Ion stove that is 1.5oz, 45 grams. Indoor 2 Cup boil times under 3.5 minutes in a space saver cup.

http://www.olicamp.com/products-stoves/ion



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