Hunter kills bear weighing nearly 700 pounds during first day of N.J. bear hunt

[Offshore]

See this---

http://cis.org/impact_on_population.html

Do your homework on the roots of this organization and you'll find that the linked article is best described, to put it politely, as an "opinion piece" and little else.

[rocketsocks]

Needing "catastrophe" to solve a human or wildlife problem is in my opinion the plea of acquiescence at best (get along to go along---"it's gonna happen"), or a gleeful need to kill black bears. Actually, humans created this problem and humans can solve it with no need to rely on an act of god-reset.

Wasn't so much thinking an act of God, more an act by terrorists to force the densely populated N.East to disband. Short of that I don't see legislators giving a crap about black bears, they are viewed more as a inconvenience on garbage day and a permitted revenue for agency. There's 50 thousand deer hunters in the state, don't know how many bear hunters out of that number, but with numbers like those that's a lot of monies in lic. and permits. I don't think the legislatures will give up that kinda doe for a RU486 type program...bear hunts will continue.

[Roche]

Relocate problem / excessive bears to the borders.

A wildlife and illegal immigration management solution allowing man and nature to coexist, celebrates diversity and is gluten-free.

[njburg]

Wasn't so much thinking an act of God, more an act by terrorists to force the densely populated N.East to disband. Short of that I don't see legislators giving a crap about black bears, they are viewed more as a inconvenience on garbage day and a permitted revenue for agency. There's 50 thousand deer hunters in the state, don't know how many bear hunters out of that number, but with numbers like those that's a lot of monies in lic. and permits. I don't think the legislatures will give up that kinda doe for a RU486 type program...bear hunts will continue.

The bear permits in NJ are $2.00, so I don't think the state is getting rich from them.

[Roche]

The bear permits in NJ are $2.00, so I don't think the state is getting rich from them.

That is not the cost for a bear hunting permit in the Garden State.

The $2.00 is the non-refundable application fee for each lottery application.

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/permit_info.htm

[rocketsocks]

The bear permits in NJ are $2.00, so I don't think the state is getting rich from them.

In addition to the money you can throw in votes. Hunters have a voice, they are conservationists many, they hold chairs, run conservation programs, raise money, and educate...more so than the state. Bear hunts aren't going away until biologists say the numbers are such that it no longer warrants a hunt.

[Sarcasm the elf]

That is not the cost for a bear hunting permit in the Garden State.

The $2.00 is the non-refundable application fee for each lottery application.

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/permit_info.htm

In addition to the money you can throw in votes. Hunters have a voice, they are conservationists many, they hold chairs, run conservation programs, raise money, and educate...more so than the state. Bear hunts aren't going away until biologists say the numbers are such that it no longer warrants a hunt.

Don't forget about the rather substantial tax levied on hunting equipment by the Pittman-Robertson act either. That tax is still the single largest source of conservation funding in the US.

[Deer Hunter]

Don't forget about the rather substantial tax levied on hunting equipment by the Pittman-Robertson act either. That tax is still the single largest source of conservation funding in the US.

Exactly Elf.

"Many Americans don’t know it, but North American wildlife, woods, and waters have been managed, conserved, and protected for many decades primarily because hunters have pushed for it–and helped pay for it. In 1938, Congress created the Pittman-Robertson/Wildlife Restoration federal aid program. In 1950, federal lawmakers followed up with the Dingell-Johnson/Sport Fish Restoration program. Since then, federal taxes on sporting goods created by these laws have provided $9.5 billion for state-based wildlife conservation."

[njburg]

That is not the cost for a bear hunting permit in the Garden State.

The $2.00 is the non-refundable application fee for each lottery application.

http://www.state.nj.us/dep/fgw/permit_info.htm

That's funny, I have been getting bear permits for 5 years and only paid $2.00. If you open your link and click on the f&w home in the top right and then click on hunting, then click on licenses and scroll to the bottom there is a table with all the fees, between youth deer permit & turkey season permit is black bear permit. If you can find any other fee let me know.

[lemon b]

Saw some movement by the creek in my back yard this afternoon. Sure enough was treated to watching a small black bear rooting around headed up stream.
Am thinking Mama must have been around, but did not see her. Glad they did not find my plum trees cause i'm sure they would have ruined my plans for making jam. How long do young cubs hang around with the mother anyway?

[double d]

In the mid 1900's the NJ bear population was only estimated at 100 bears.
This is a really good article on this subject, a good read.

https://njaes.rutgers.edu/pubs/e345/

Great article Jersey Joe, one of the better ones I've read on Black Bears.

[MuddyWaters]

How long do young cubs hang around with the mother anyway?

up to 2 yrs. but usually about 18 mo.

[jersey joe]

This is good/typical/funny example how us Jersey folk coexist with black bears.
Is there any other state along the AT where this kind of thing is a normal occurance?

http://www.nj.com/morris/index.ssf/2...ay_family.html

[Offshore]

This is good/typical/funny example how us Jersey folk coexist with black bears.
Is there any other state along the AT where this kind of thing is a normal occurance?

http://www.nj.com/morris/index.ssf/2...ay_family.html

The witty and thoughtful discourse in the comments section is also kind of funny (if not a little embarrassing as a NJ resident), but pretty typical for nj.com.

[rocketsocks]

This is good/typical/funny example how us Jersey folk coexist with black bears.
Is there any other state along the AT where this kind of thing is a normal occurance?

http://www.nj.com/morris/index.ssf/2...ay_family.html

The witty and thoughtful discourse in the comments section is also kind of funny (if not a little embarrassing as a NJ resident), but pretty typical for nj.com.

I didn't know bears had liters of 5, granted some could be adopted.

[Pedaling Fool]

I didn't know bears had liters of 5, granted some could be adopted.

There was a report from Pennsylvania where a momma had six cubs. Unfortunately, the larger the litter, especially 3 cubs or more, the more likely some will die and not make it to the next generation. The below data was gathered from populations in Minnesota, but nature pretty much the same every where...

http://www.bear.org/website/bear-pag...roduction.html

http://www.bear.org/website/bear-pag...12-3-or-4.html

[rocketsocks]

There was a report from Pennsylvania where a momma had six cubs. Unfortunately, the larger the litter, especially 3 cubs or more, the more likely some will die and not make it to the next generation. The below data was gathered from populations in Minnesota, but nature pretty much the same every where...

http://www.bear.org/website/bear-pag...roduction.html

http://www.bear.org/website/bear-pag...12-3-or-4.html

that's potentially a lot of bears.