This poll asks what you can ethically do when assaulted by loud snoring within a shelter.
This poll asks what you can ethically do when assaulted by loud snoring within a shelter.
What poll?
I would take some little pieces of wadded toilet paper and shove them.....
In my own ears, as I probably woke myself up snoring!
Nothing you can do. If you're stupid enuf to stay in a dirty wooden box when there's thousands of acres of woods around you to camp, then suffer.
Does this satisfy the definition of "assault" if you choose to sleep in the trail shelter in the first place? Now if some uninvited bozo tries to snuggle up in your tent I'd be more than OK with strong measures, up to and including inflicting fatal injury.Originally Posted by rickboudrie
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Hmmm, I missed the poll the first time around. Agree with LW here. Carry a shelter...use it.
We only stay in newer shelters that appear somewhat clean and only when no one is there besides us. My brother and I are competitive snorers and we do not want to disturb anyone or have to compete with anyone else. Live and let snore we say. We only get combative when the mice start snoring.
Tents and tarps are great when you don't need one (ie. when its not raining).
I'm starting to enjoy cowboy camping if the weather's nice. If it's raining I'm generally in my tent. Each to their own.
While we're at it, may I respectfully ask if you believe that escalating a breach of manners to a physical confrontation is a good idea?
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It depends on a bunch of stuff.While we're at it, may I respectfully ask if you believe that escalating a breach of manners to a physical confrontation is a good idea?
I think it is almost aways acceptable for a guy to throw a balled-up sock at a buddy who is snoring too loudly.
On the other hand there are times when I wouldn't dare gently nudge my wife in similar circumstances. Life is simply too precious.
Sleep in a tent?
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You had to go and ruin it with words like ethically!!Originally Posted by rickboudrie
"We wanderers, ever seeking the lonelier way, begin no day where we have ended another day; and no sunrise finds us where sunset left us."
Kahlil Gibran
Dont expect any sympathy from me. I snore like a lumberjack...
Well, a balled up sock is different than a boot. Depending on how dirty the sock is, it could be worse. Do you aim for your buddy's piehole by any chance, and do you restrict yourself to clean socks?Originally Posted by rickboudrie
Before you get offended, I'm just trying to figure out if I need to clear out if I see you in a shelter. Gagging on a dirty hiker's sock in the middle of the night DOES rise to assault in my book.
As far as the wife goes that only shows that you know that discretion is the better part of valor.
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Me too!! But my own snores don't wake me up!!Originally Posted by Lumberjack
"We wanderers, ever seeking the lonelier way, begin no day where we have ended another day; and no sunrise finds us where sunset left us."
Kahlil Gibran
Some snorers don't believe it when they are told. None of the really loud ones believe how bad they are. Short of surgery there isn't much they can do. The little tape-on nose thingys work for a few, but not many. Plug your ears, go out and put up your tent, or put up with it.
Remember this - - Even the best of friends cannot attend each other's funerals.
I prefer a shelter as it cuts down on pack up time in the morning and it just plain sucks packing up in the rain. That being said, if you are sharing a shelter with others and you snore like a chainsaw, please point it out beforehand. Gives me the option to stay or move but at least I'm forewarned. Just common courtesy.
Sleep at least 100 yards from the shelter. That will learn that snorer.
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If one KNOWS they snore, out of courtesy, they should avoid shelters unless the weather is really horrible.
But if one is really sensitive to noise at night, well these folks should avoid them too.
(In truth I agree with Wolf.....I think EVERYONE would do well to avoid shelters!)
I'm very sensitive to shelter noise; I can't sleep if someone's in there snoring away, so I never stay in shelters unless they're empty or there's torrential rain outside. Also, I came to realize that I snore pretty badly myself sometimes. I always denied this til I was caught on a tape recorder in 1998; it sounded like a cat in a blender, and I realized it was pretty lousy to inflict that on anyone unless they happened to be in my tent at the time. After this, I NEVER stayed in shelters unless I couldn't help it.
In any case, the answer to your question is that it's perfectly OK to gently wake up a snorer; just try not to wake up everyone else in the process. And if he starts sawing away again, then wake him up again. Most people that snore KNOW that they snore, so if they had any consideration at all, they wouldn't even be in the shelter in the first place, so I see no problem with rousing them. NOBODY has the right to deprive anyone of their rest....people that stay up late talking, playing cards, or listening to music aren't tolerated, so why should it be different for snorers.
If a person is REALLY loud, they need to be told, bluntly, by several different folks, that they need to start tenting, but on the other hand, folks that are overly sensitive to snoring and other night noise should be tenting as well.
My brother and I practice good snoring etiquette by tenting when others are present. Well, there was the time a late hiker with a broom fetish came in and created a dust storm that covered our bags and our stuff. With a smile and a wink, we decided an extra night cap was in order to boost the snore factor. In the morning, Mr. Broom noted our snoring and was quite chagrined when we told him he did a pretty good rendition of a chainsaw himself. Unfortunately, we were on the same pace and ran into Mr. Broom again at the next shelter. When he took out the broom, we skedaddled to set up our tent. As it turned out, he had the company of two women (one 70ish, one 40ish), two men (early twenties), and a hyperactive dog! We didn't stick around in the morning to see how that turned out.
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