Water knot?

[Feral Bill]

I just got some 1" webbing for hammock hanging. In trying to make a water knot loop, It became obvious that just tying an overhand knot on a bight gave the exact same result. I can't believe that I am the first to notice this. Am I missing something here?

[garlic08]

I learned the water knot as a specific way to join two pieces of webbing together, or to form a large loop by joining the ends of one piece of webbing. An overhand knot on a bight is slightly different knot though it looks much the same. Think of the effects of pulling the long ends in opposite directions.

[rocketsocks]

If I'm understanding you correct the water knot gives a direction of pull that would be different From just a overhand knot and therefore a differnt strength.

[rocketsocks]

Further the water knot is a cintch type while the over hand tries to untie itself.

[Feral Bill]

Still confused here. Time for some more hands on.

[upstream]

Ashley(1941) in knot 1009 calls that a Loop Knot or Overhand Loop, and
it does have the same form as the Water Knot (1412), the difference
being the water knot is done as a bend, with the ends, or pull, coming
from opposite directions, the loop having them both from the same
direction. Ashley also prefers calling it the Ring Knot, since the
Water Knot is also the name of several other knots.

[upstream]

Sorry, that sounded confusing after I posted it. Maybe these pictures from Ashley will clarify.

water.pngThis is the water knot

loop.pngThis is the loop knot, that you probably tied.

And yes, they have the same form, as you observed. But, the pull is different

[OldTrailDog]

I am currently using a water knot to form loops from mule tape that suspend my hammock stand ridge poles from the hammock stand tripods. Cute knot that works well in flat webbing or mule tape.
90degreehammockHGWinterPalaceflipped_08.JPG

[Feral Bill]

I am currently using a water knot to form loops from mule tape that suspend my hammock stand ridge poles from the hammock stand tripods. Cute knot that works well in flat webbing or mule tape.
90degreehammockHGWinterPalaceflipped_08.JPG

Impressive rig.

[Cosmo]

http://www.animatedknots.com/waterkn...om#ScrollPoint

Cosmo

[VITCHELO]

Water knot is a great knot for joining two pieces of webbing, the water knot is a very secure and used by climbers setting up belays or top-ropes. To tie this knot, put a simple overhand knot (the simplest knot you can tie in a single strand of rope in the webbing. Retrace the overhand knot with the other end of the webbing or rope starting on the loose (shorter, bitter) end of the rope. You will wind up with a loop that is as strong as your rope.
The link below the top 5 knots for outdoors activities... check it out !
https://www.eaglesnestoutfittersinc.com/blog/five-crucial-knots-for-the-outdoors/

[rocketsocks]

I think what bill is saying is that if ya tie an overhand knot and then follow the loosely tied knot starting at the running end, then yes it's the same. But the waterman is tied taking the tag end and threading it through the tag end of the overhand ya tied.

[Another Kevin]

A Flemish bend is no harder to tie than a water knot, and superior in just about every respect.

[Feral Bill]

A Flemish bend is no harder to tie than a water knot, and superior in just about every respect.

I retied my straps using this knot. Much neater, and it looks easier to take out. Thinking back, we used it to make up towing bridles in the Coast Guard. Thanks!

[Secondmouse]

I just got some 1" webbing for hammock hanging. In trying to make a water knot loop, It became obvious that just tying an overhand knot on a bight gave the exact same result. I can't believe that I am the first to notice this. Am I missing something here?

not. even. close...

[Feral Bill]

not. even. close...

explain, please

[Another Kevin]

Overhand loop on a bight - both working ends come out on the same side of the knot.

Water knot - the two working ends come out on opposite sides.

[rocketsocks]

Overhand loop on a bight - both working ends come out on the same side of the knot.

Water knot - the two working ends come out on opposite sides.

exactly.......

[Secondmouse]

explain, please

[Feral Bill]

Okay. Same relationship as a sheet bend and a bowline. All good.