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    Quote Originally Posted by scope View Post
    I find the idea of erecting your shelter inside a shelter to be humorous.
    I find the word erecting to be humorous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grubbster View Post
    I find the word erecting to be humorous.
    there are two separate and distinct meanings for "pitching a tent in a shelter"...one of them is more erecting than the other!

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    well, from Google...

    (5th definition of 'pitch' as verb)
    set up and fix in a definite position.
    "we pitched camp for the night"
    synonyms: put up, set up, erect, raise, position, fix in position, place, locate; set up camp
    "they pitched their tents for the night"

    Pitch would seem to be the better choice as 'erect' means to construct, and I think the definition above seems a better fit. But then, "erecting" is a common use, so I don't know why it would be funny to anyone but a goofy kid. And I want to be clear that I don't think there's anything wrong with being a goofy kid.

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    If not impeding on another's ability to access fair amount of shelter space per # of occupants... Who cares... Ettisquite schmedicate…
    Like complaining about somebody taking 2 parking spots in the empty area of the parking lot at Walmart.

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    Easy - because you never know who will come in after you in the night.

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    double post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MtDoraDave View Post
    I disagree.

    I mean, I agree with the old saying about expecting nothing and not being disappointed, but on this subject...

    Knowing that tents aren't supposed to be set up inside shelters makes it an easy [I]
    And how is this known???

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    You know to be courteous to others on the trail, right? In this case, that courtesy includes not taking up extra space in the shelter by setting up a redundant shelter inside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by petedelisio View Post
    And how is this known???
    I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you figure this out. Or someone figures it out for you. lol
    UL, because nobody ever asks "How can I make my pack heavier?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by petedelisio View Post
    If not impeding on another's ability to access fair amount of shelter space per # of occupants... Who cares... Ettisquite schmedicate…
    Like complaining about somebody taking 2 parking spots in the empty area of the parking lot at Walmart.
    Ughh, I hate people that do that. I could blindfold myself and likely get pretty close to being in the lines, its just not that hard. And why would I want to potentially make myself a target of others' ire? I don't know who cares, but I don't want to find out.

    Quote Originally Posted by petedelisio View Post
    And how is this known???
    (Knowing that tents aren't supposed to be set up inside shelters)

    If you've always stopped mid-afternoon to setup camp, and never seen someone come in late to camp, then I suppose you might figure there's always plenty of time to make rearrangements if someones comes in after you. If you've ever hiked late and come in to the shelter later than expected, dwindling or no light, have to make dinner in the dark and you're already starving and just want to eat and go to sleep and certainly don't want to deal with conflicts or drama... then it comes to you.
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    Like complaining about somebody taking 2 parking spots in the empty area of the parking lot at Walmart.


    these people are commonly known as "a holes"....

    i would suppose the same for this circumstance as well....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWaters View Post
    Terrible etiquette, yes.
    Common, yes if theres room. Ive come across it many times.
    Youre not likely to see it in the bubble, but at slower times, plenty.
    But its also first come-first served at shelters, and theres no law against it on AT.

    Cant say it really bothers me, unless it was raining and people wanted in and they were taking up too much space.
    But...a twin tent 56" wide with two people...really nothing to say about it is there? Most people will claim a 3' wide strip of tyvek for their own turf, so unless they claim more per person, it really doesnt pass the so frickin what test in my book.


    I recall at least half dozen tents set up in the overmountain barn one night, downstairs and up, with plenty o room for all.
    the way the wind and the rain blow through Overmountain we should have set our tent up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareBear View Post
    Getting rid of shelters gets rid of the thru hiker number problems? 8 people in a shelter...how many won't thru hike without it? 1? 2? Meh....

    Besides, shelters serve their purpose. Not mine, but they have their place.

    Somebody needs to go hiking...
    last guy who mouthed off to a ridge runner that way got escorted out in handcuffs by a ranger.

    Surprisingly there are rules. The runners canít do much, but they have radios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zig-Zag View Post
    I was day-hiking in the rollercoaster section of the AT today and ran into a few SOBO hikers and I chatted with most of them for a few minutes. They both mentioned using their tents in the shelters when there isn't a tent spot at the shelter. They said that lately the mouse situation has become so overwhelming that they won't sleep in the shelter without the tent.

    Heading SOBO and being behind most thru hikers they are getting most shelters to themselves.

    Is this a normal practice? I'm assuming that when you have shelter mates this is terrible etiquette...?
    I heard different school of thoughts on tenting inside the shelter. The ATC has no rules against it, so I am not going to police it if I see one, unless, they are taking up so much room to be disrespectful to other hikers. During the "bubble" season, the shelters get pretty packed in. I personally don't like shelters, even if there is no one there. I much rather prefer a tent site. The only exception to the rule is the GSMNP where all hikers are required to stay in the shelters. Thru-hikers are exempt from making a reservation, BUT they also must give up their spot to other non-thru-hikers. I have heard grumblings from other thru-hikers about this "inconvenience" especially when they are fast asleep and woken up by another hiker who arrived late at the shelter. I don't know the benefit of putting up a tent inside the shelter to help with the mice situation because mice will chew through anything, even sleeping quits and bags. Mice will even visit tent spots. Mice have weird chewing habits. They will chew through plastic, foil, paper, cloth, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thrifty Endurance View Post
    The ATC has no rules against it...
    They may not have rules against it, but they have published an opinion in their quarterly magazine, Journeys, and not too long ago either. Of course they cite the poor hiker etiquette of setting up a tent in a shelter. As mentioned numerous times in this thread, you never know who is coming into the shelter behind you. I would say about 33% of the time I spent in shelters, someone came in after 7 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ldsailor View Post
    They may not have rules against it, but they have published an opinion in their quarterly magazine, Journeys, and not too long ago either. Of course they cite the poor hiker etiquette of setting up a tent in a shelter. As mentioned numerous times in this thread, you never know who is coming into the shelter behind you. I would say about 33% of the time I spent in shelters, someone came in after 7 PM.
    That's why I put the statement, "Unless, they are taking up so much room to be disrespectful to other hikers." As you stated the quarterly mag published is an "opinion." IF the ATC wants to put it in their guidelines for EVERYONE that does not get the quarterly mag, even if it's their "opinion," they should do so, share it on their website. There are certain matters I do police, i.e. "pack out your own trash" and "keep your dog on a leash" near the shelters and the people and wildlife and "Leave nature intact," don't be digging up ramps, even if it looks good for supper. Foraging means cutting it a certain way so it regrows and is viable, etc. I also added that during the "bubble" season the shelters could also be packed in. If other hikers start to police every little thing that bothers them, I just don't think that is conducive to a good "mindset" as a hiker. For that reason, I just rather find a good tent site and have my alone time. You are dealing with a lot of cultures on the trail. People come from all different backgrounds. Some are more INTUNE with what is APPROPRIATE and others are totally CLUELESS. My grandparents taught me to pick my line...or "fight" and don't get caught up in the minutia of every day angst. I just don't have those kind of "hangups."

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