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    Depends on if it's wet or not. If it's dry, I stuff. If it's wet, I fold in half to keep the floor separated from the rest of the tent, and then roll, and then stuff.
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    For those who continue the "do not fold it creases" mantra from the 1970's, I ask if anyone has compared the number of creases in a tarp/tent from folding vs stuffing. I have, and there are zero creases in the folded, and thousands in the stuffed. The history of the do not fold is from when tarps were urethane coated. So unless you are using my old tent from 1974, it probably isn't and folding/rolling is perfectly fine, and likely better.

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    Stakes and poles go in the pole bag. Tent body and fly are stuffed into my pack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybgood View Post
    Whatever you do don't fold it. Folding can cause creases which leads to material breakdown. I cram mine in it's stuff sack.
    Yeah, what he said. I have been doing that for decades. I make my own UL stuffsacks from Tyvek 1443R and dyneema w/micro toggles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by russb View Post
    For those who continue the "do not fold it creases" mantra from the 1970's, I ask if anyone has compared the number of creases in a tarp/tent from folding vs stuffing. I have, and there are zero creases in the folded, and thousands in the stuffed. The history of the do not fold is from when tarps were urethane coated. So unless you are using my old tent from 1974, it probably isn't and folding/rolling is perfectly fine, and likely better.
    Old habits.... Its also easier for me to pack a tent cleanly by stuffing it than it is for me to lay it out and fold it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tipi Walter View Post
    . Best thing then is to replace the sac with a bigger sac.

    After folding and rolling tents for the last 40 years I find no drawbacks to the technique. Actually, UV and worn floors and broken zippers will kill a tent way way before folding and rolling.
    Ditto - for sleeping bags, quilts and tents, I get a bigger-than-OEM stuff sack, much easier to deal with a soft package than a firm cylinder. I'll add one more item to the list of things that make you get a new tent: new tents!

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    Depends...if it is wet, the tent and fly don't get bagged, but get wadded up and placed on the top of the pack on the outside but under the "brain" lid, or wad the body up and put it in one mesh side pocket and do the same with the fly on the other. If everything is dry, I revert back to old habits and fold in both "ends" 1/2 so they meet in the middle, fold them onto each other where they meet in the middle as a "crease, fold in half, half again if needed, roll up...place in sack. Tent is the 2nd to last thing in the pack. The bear bag goes on top and the bladder on top of the bear bag. The poles and stakes are always on the outside of the pack, usually in a side pocket underneath the compression straps...

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    I define backpacking as Managing Discomfort and part of the "managing" comes from the habitual blessing of near-perfect organization. Mouthful, but it means getting very efficient with your gear in all conditions. ScareBear reminds me of this efficiency in his post.

    The simple act of packing a tent is one example. Very often a loose tent picks up sticks and ground debris while it's being packed or rolled. Stuffing tends to pick up unseen sticks into the wad and so you pack these in with your tent. Unseen sticks can poke holes in your tent fly.

    Shaking, folding and then careful rolling can also pick up sticks but not as much, obviously.

    And on a cold morning at 0F there's another fact of tent living: You want to get the blasted thing into its sack as fast as possible which means efficiently---with minimal hand-death. The biggest accomplishment for me every morning on a winter trip is standing up and smiling after my tent is in its stuff sack and strapped onto the back of my pack . . . and still having hands that still function.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadeye View Post
    Ditto - for sleeping bags, quilts and tents, I get a bigger-than-OEM stuff sack, much easier to deal with a soft package than a firm cylinder. I'll add one more item to the list of things that make you get a new tent: new tents!
    And it's hard to believe that some high quality sleeping bag makers will sell you a $700 down bag and include a too-small after-thought $2 stuff sack. My bag is rated to -15F and its stuff sack is a joke so I use a silnylon sea to summit 35 liter roll-top sack.

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    It takes a while to get your own personal packing "system" down pat. We've got our gear so sorted these days, that our go-to packs(4) are in one single bin, our go-to tents, sleeping pads, stove, purifier, kettles, bladders, gas cans, food, batteries, headlamps, rain gear, SOL gear, campcraft gear and key clothing, along with all dry bags are in another huge bin. All the down bags hang from a line run along the ceiling of a 7 foot long closet. It's just a matter of grab two bins and your bag, pick the gear for the trail and weather from the bin and go. But, there is a "system". From the bottom of the pack to the top and every pocket and every pouch. And, for good measure, we then throw the big bin in the vehicle, just in case something changes, like the weather or the trip duration...things happen....just sayin!

    The thing about the "system" is that you instinctively know, no matter what the gear, how it goes...dry bag liner-bottom to top:sleep bag/air mat then clothing/cook kit then campcraft then tent bag then bear bag then bladder. Outside is always poles/stakes, rain gear/purifier in zippered back pocket, electrolyte bottle in side pocket, camera in hip pouch right, energy bars/caffeine pills left hip pouch, anything left goes in top lid. Only thing hanging is usually a 3L nalgene canteen for dirty and a 3L nalgene canteen for clean. I know, why this with the 3L bladder? Dry campsites...it's nice to have a comfy dinner with a half-litre of drink mix, comfy brekkie with coffee or tea(all my food is freeze-dried or FBC), nice wash-up, and a couple of litres left for the trail before the next water supply. Aint gonna get that done with 3L. Just sayin...

    Once you get your "system" down pat, then you can spend the years and years refining it to "perfection"...yeah...right....lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by ScareBear View Post
    It takes a while to get your own personal packing "system" down pat. We've got our gear so sorted these days, that our go-to packs(4) are in one single bin, our go-to tents, sleeping pads, stove, purifier, kettles, bladders, gas cans, food, batteries, headlamps, rain gear, SOL gear, campcraft gear and key clothing, along with all dry bags are in another huge bin. All the down bags hang from a line run along the ceiling of a 7 foot long closet. It's just a matter of grab two bins and your bag, pick the gear for the trail and weather from the bin and go. But, there is a "system". From the bottom of the pack to the top and every pocket and every pouch. And, for good measure, we then throw the big bin in the vehicle, just in case something changes, like the weather or the trip duration...things happen....just sayin!

    The thing about the "system" is that you instinctively know, no matter what the gear, how it goes...dry bag liner-bottom to top:sleep bag/air mat then clothing/cook kit then campcraft then tent bag then bear bag then bladder. Outside is always poles/stakes, rain gear/purifier in zippered back pocket, electrolyte bottle in side pocket, camera in hip pouch right, energy bars/caffeine pills left hip pouch, anything left goes in top lid. Only thing hanging is usually a 3L nalgene canteen for dirty and a 3L nalgene canteen for clean. I know, why this with the 3L bladder? Dry campsites...it's nice to have a comfy dinner with a half-litre of drink mix, comfy brekkie with coffee or tea(all my food is freeze-dried or FBC), nice wash-up, and a couple of litres left for the trail before the next water supply. Aint gonna get that done with 3L. Just sayin...

    Once you get your "system" down pat, then you can spend the years and years refining it to "perfection"...yeah...right....lol
    Great post. It reminds me of repeated actions combined with concentration combined with muscle memory equals efficient performance and gear management. I'm starting to sound like those professor types over at BPL.com.

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    Or as the old saying goes, A place for every thing and every thing in its place.

    I don't use a checklist but I now pack so many fewer things than I did even 5-6 years ago that it is a lot easier.

    The last thing I forgot, which was a few months ago, was a little 3ml dropper bottle that I use to contain my daily AquaMira pre-mix. But not to worry, that's one of the few things for which I carry a backup in my toiletry/FAK/repair ditty, so it was no problem... just a minor annoyance.

    As far as rolling or stuffing the tent, I use a Duplex that I fold roughly into thirds lengthwise and then roll it and stuff it into its sack. So it is both rolled and stuffed because it's somewhat difficult to get Cuben to co-operate with the process. For silnylon tents — MLD Duomid and Lightheart Solo (last night was my first time using it! ) — I just stuff 'em.

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    Depends on what tent; my cuben tent I kinda roll it into thirds and stuff it into the sack but my car camping tent(s) I fold neatly to minimize bulk.

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