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    Quote Originally Posted by Zed View Post

    Its concerning because the southbound thru total caps quite low. Granted it's a lot of hikers for southbound but how many will be grabbed and not utilized fully.
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    I don't understand why they are issuing permits for southbound period. I was under the impression southbounders must reserve campsites and cannot use the Birches. Maybe I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zed View Post
    Anyone know or could provide a link for the process for day use visitors that don't need a parking spot?

    "If all available cards have been issued, AT hikers may still complete their hike byentering the Park through the Togue Pond Gate following the same process as other dayuse or camping visitors."
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    I have not yet been to BSP and am slightly confused. Can someone clarify, if a person secures a normal BSP campground reservation are they able to hike the A.T. Section in the park?

    Are people able to enter or exit via the A.T. if they have otherwise normal reservations? Or do they have to both enter and exit the park via the main entrance?
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    The available num
    ber of AT-Hiker Permit Cards for 2017 will be as follows:
    Northbound
    : 1,350
    Southbound
    : 610
    Section:
    840
    Flip-Flop:
    350
    Total:
    3,150
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcasm the elf View Post
    Can someone clarify, if a person secures a normal BSP campground reservation are they able to hike the A.T. Section in the park?
    If you're a thru, section, or flipper, you need a permit.
    http://baxterstateparkauthority.com/...unce_Final.pdf
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    I'm not sure the impacts of this, how concerned should NOBO/SOBO hikers be about this rule?

    How long is the section through Baxter Park?
    Is Park Headquarters or Katahdin Stream Campground right on the trail?
    If you get there and they've met the quota you shuttle passed it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ aka Teej View Post
    If you're a thru, section, or flipper, you need a permit.
    http://baxterstateparkauthority.com/...unce_Final.pdf
    What I'm asking is I don't quite follow the wording in the pdf. Does the permit apply only to those who are entering the park without normal reservations under the A.T. Long distance hiker rules, or are they now requiring that people who already have normal park reservations double up and also obtain the permit if they plan to hike the A.T. Within the park?
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    this is NOT good
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcasm the elf View Post
    What I'm asking is I don't quite follow the wording in the pdf. Does the permit apply only to those who are entering the park without normal reservations under the A.T. Long distance hiker rules, or are they now requiring that people who already have normal park reservations double up and also obtain the permit if they plan to hike the A.T. Within the park?
    Sobos are in the Park with reservations (for the majority) - they need permits, as to all LD ATers.
    No one said you have to double up - not part of this at all (although good practice).
    When the permits run out, the Birches is closed, and LD ATers will have follow the same rules as all other visitors.
    Remember, this is 400 more permits for '17 than there were ATers in '16.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PennyPincher View Post
    this is NOT good
    Why do you think that?
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    How long is the section through Baxter Park? 15.4
    Is Park Headquarters or Katahdin Stream Campground right on the trail? The AT runs through KSC.
    If you get there and they've met the quota you shuttle passed it? Huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ aka Teej View Post
    Sobos are in the Park with reservations (for the majority) - they need permits, as to all LD ATers.
    No one said you have to double up - not part of this at all (although good practice).
    When the permits run out, the Birches is closed, and LD ATers will have follow the same rules as all other visitors.
    Remember, this is 400 more permits for '17 than there were ATers in '16.
    Don't get me wrong, none of this seems particularly concerning (or surprising) to me, I've been expecting them to bring the A.T. rules in line with the rest of their mamagement system. I was just a bit uncertain of my interpretation of the press release.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ aka Teej View Post
    If you're a thru, section, or flipper, you need a permit.
    http://baxterstateparkauthority.com/...unce_Final.pdf
    OK, so say I arrive late in the season, and find all the permits have been issued and The Birches is closed. To complete my hike, I would have to make a reservation for a campsite, and pay the fee, correct? Would I be able to do this in person in the park, assuming sites are available?

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    My interpretation is that once the NOBO permits are all taken, a hiker who hikes to the park border on the AT will have to turn around, find a way to hike and hitch into Millinocket, get a 'Day Use Parking Reservation' for Katahdin(if any are available), rent a car, drive in and park, hike to the southern park boundary and back, then climb Katahdin and back, exit the park.

    Am I missing something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zed View Post
    OK, so say I arrive late in the season, and find all the permits have been issued and The Birches is closed. To complete my hike, I would have to make a reservation for a campsite, and pay the fee, correct? Would I be able to do this in person in the park, assuming sites are available?
    "If all available cards have been issued, AT hikers may still complete their hike by entering the Park through the Togue Pond Gate following the same process as other dayuse or camping visitors."
    This part interests me. I do not yet know enough to comment on it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TJ aka Teej View Post
    Why do you think that?
    What happens when you are NOBO number 1351 or Section hiker #841?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarcasm the elf View Post
    I have not yet been to BSP and am slightly confused. Can someone clarify, if a person secures a normal BSP campground reservation are they able to hike the A.T. Section in the park?

    Are people able to enter or exit via the A.T. if they have otherwise normal reservations? Or do they have to both enter and exit the park via the main entrance?
    #9 of the document says
    If all available cards have been issued, AT hikers may still complete their hike by entering the Park through the Togue Pond Gate following the same process as other day use or camping visitors.
    So you have to go through the gate, follow some of the additional park rules about backcountry camping and/or parking and/or dayhiking. Depends on how you plan the rest of it out.
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    Not BSP, but ATC might be contemplating permits and required shelter reservations , ala gsmnp, in GA as well......

    The times, they are a changing...
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