This is my old gal, my sweet sweet palace that was home for 3 months on the AT. The shelter itself weighs 15.7 ounces, the detachable cuben poncho bathtub floor adds 6.1 ounces, which is really nice for drying things out quick. For rain gear and a shelter, 21.8 ounces which is pretty darn good. In the Fall I have used a cheap and light polycro floor to have dedicated rain gear to sleep in. I paid something like 550 originally (shelter plus floor), but there is a bit of wear and tear (small nibble hole in mesh from a night time friend-expertly repaired by my mother who is a seamstress). Besides that the thing is funk-free and golden. I am selling because I am less weight crazy and not hiking any long distance trails in the near near future. I am thinking I am going to upgrade to the Duplex for the summer! Weeeeeee! So 400 takes the lot, not including stakes. Let me know if you have any questions!