ATC Removes Shuttle List

[ldsailor]

I read on a Facebook AT group post yesterday that the ATC has removed the list of shuttle drivers available to hikers on the AT. I did check the ATC web site and found the transportation page still on the web site, but I could not find the direct link to the shuttle driver list. The closest I could come to it was a link to Trek.co where they have an abbreviated list.

The rumor has it that many shuttle drivers are not licensed and insured, and because of that the ATC removed the list to mitigate their exposure. It was even said that in one state the state police visited shuttle drivers to remind them of their legal requirements.

Not sure how much of this information is accurate. For all I know the ATC may have moved the shuttle list to a different spot on their web site. Anyone have more information? More importantly, does anyone have the 2018 list downloaded and willing to share it?

[Gambit McCrae]

Shuttle list in my signiture

[Sarcasm the elf]

As Gambit says, whiteblaze has an excellent shuttle driver list, which is what I have been using:

https://whiteblaze.net/forum/at-shuttles.php

Please feel free to share the link of FB when people mention that the ATC list has been taken down.

[capehiker]

Please feel free to share the link of FB when people mention that the ATC list has been taken down.

I saw the same post. Tried finding it but it's lost to the hundred new posts since then.

[tdoczi]

googling "ATC shuttle list" rather than trying to find the link on the website locates this rather easily-

http://www.appalachiantrail.org/docs...s.pdf?sfvrsn=0

[Coffee]

googling "ATC shuttle list" rather than trying to find the link on the website locates this rather easily-http://www.appalachiantrail.org/docs...s.pdf?sfvrsn=0

Thanks. I've downloaded it in case they remove it. Unfortunate we live in such a litigious society.

[Rain Man]

...the government wants their hands in the cookie jar too....

Sorry, but "the government" has better things to do than harass a handful of shuttle drivers, no matter how much in vogue it has become to harangue "the government." Fact is, such petty actions are often the machinations of some jealous competition.

Unfortunate we live in such a litigious society.

While this is a popular refrain from the insurance industry and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, it's a canard, a myth, a lie in other words. We're not as litigious society these days as was the case back in the days of Revolutionary America. Studies on litigation filed show that more lawsuits were filed, per capita, in the past than today. Same for the size of jury awards.

[Thefurther]

Sorry, but "the government" has better things to do than harass a handful of shuttle drivers, no matter how much in vogue it has become to harangue "the government." Fact is, such petty actions are often the machinations of some jealous competition.



While this is a popular refrain from the insurance industry and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, it's a canard, a myth, a lie in other words. We're not as litigious society these days as was the case back in the days of Revolutionary America. Studies on litigation filed show that more lawsuits were filed, per capita, in the past than today. Same for the size of jury awards.

no they may not care about the shuttle driver but they do care about the taxes that are not being paid .

[gpburdelljr]

Sorry, but "the government" has better things to do than harass a handful of shuttle drivers, no matter how much in vogue it has become to harangue "the government." Fact is, such petty actions are often the machinations of some jealous competition.



While this is a popular refrain from the insurance industry and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, it's a canard, a myth, a lie in other words. We're not as litigious society these days as was the case back in the days of Revolutionary America. Studies on litigation filed show that more lawsuits were filed, per capita, in the past than today. Same for the size of jury awards.

Can you cite sources for your “facts”?

[greensleep]

Can you cite sources for your “facts”?

I believe it's a fact that 85% of facts are made up.

[Sarcasm the elf]

Can you cite sources for your “facts”?

I can cite that according to The History channel (back when it was reputable) it was a priority of the puritans to setup a litigious society in the new colony. At the time England had a brutal honor based culture where duels and armed fights were routinely used to settle grievances. The puritans found this wholly immoral and proudly setup a system where the rule of law would use to settle disputes. In short they intentionally and proudly made themselves a litigious society because it was a huge leap forward compared to the standards of the day.

[Traveler]

Thanks. I've downloaded it in case they remove it. Unfortunate we live in such a litigious society.

Conversely, its unfortunate some people ignore insurance in for fee services like these, unfairly competing with responsible businesses and negligently putting clients at risk.

[map man]

I can't locate it either (and that tdoczi link is not working for me). I hope it's a temporary glitch and not a permanent state of affairs. I've gotten every shuttler I've used on the AT from that list and have linked to it more times than I can count when people start threads here at WB asking about shuttlers.

[tdoczi]

I can't locate it either (and that tdoczi link is not working for me). I hope it's a temporary glitch and not a permanent state of affairs. I've gotten every shuttler I've used on the AT from that list and have linked to it more times than I can count when people start threads here at WB asking about shuttlers.

link still works for me.

heres a link to the relevant google search, maybe try that. the pdf is the second hit from the top. do not click on the first, which takes you to the webpage that supposedly does not have the link ay longer.

https://www.google.com/search?source....0.5GTzfNyRd-Q

[rocketsocks]

Do and out/back, double the miles, double the smiles.

[Thefurther]

I read on a Facebook AT group post yesterday that the ATC has removed the list of shuttle drivers available to hikers on the AT. I did check the ATC web site and found the transportation page still on the web site, but I could not find the direct link to the shuttle driver list. The closest I could come to it was a link to Trek.co where they have an abbreviated list.

The rumor has it that many shuttle drivers are not licensed and insured, and because of that the ATC removed the list to mitigate their exposure. It was even said that in one state the state police visited shuttle drivers to remind them of their legal requirements.

Not sure how much of this information is accurate. For all I know the ATC may have moved the shuttle list to a different spot on their web site. Anyone have more information? More importantly, does anyone have the 2018 list downloaded and willing to share it?

this is true . they have removed the list of shuttle drivers . i received a email yesterday about the atc removing the list and the cops checking people is true . i heard that they set up a sting on a shuttle driver and when the shuttle driver arrived they fined them for not having the proper paperwork ( insurance ) . there is not a law to be licensed in ga or nc to deliver people to their destination but you do need insurance . the only time you need a special license is when you are carrying more then 8 people in one vehicle . this probably would not be a problem but people are camping out at the gaps and not following the lnt buy sticking their cards all over the signs and in shelters .the government wants their hands in the cookie jar too . they are not going to let people get away with making money without them getting a piece of the pie . i have jumped through big hoops and small hoops to make my company legal . gotta pay the piper if you want to play ... peace my friends

[Coffee]

In many cities, taxi drivers have used political influence to stomp on Uber and other car sharing schemes and I suspect this is the same type of thing going on but in rural areas. And hikers will be the ones harmed through either fewer shuttle options, higher prices, or a combination of both.

[Tennessee Viking]

Looks like there is the Acorn Guide now.

It could be either the ATC didn't want to take liability of not offering to advertise interested shuttle services, or not take liability when there is a bad shuttle experience.

[rocketsocks]

Shuttles should’ve kept it word of mouth, don’t advertise, or pay the rates and go in business.

[ldsailor]

Thanks for the links to the WB and ATC shuttle lists.