Forest Service arresting protesters along the AT

[John B]

May I just say that the author, Kathryn Miles (writer in residence, Green Mt. College), is one of my favorites.

She first came to my attention with a story she wrote for the Boston Globe about "Inchworm" (Geraldine Largay) -- thorough, well researched, superbly written, which caused me to buy her book "Adventures with Ari" and later, a book she did about Hurricane Sandy ("Superstorm") and most recently "Quakeland." She's written lots of other stuff, but those are my favorites.

I have a Twitter account. I never "tweet" but I use it to follow certain writers and musicians whom I greatly admire (ex. Elizabeth Weil, Joanna Chiu, Rick Bass, Jane Von Bergen, and absolutlely, @Kathryn_Miles).

She's does lots of stuff about the outdoors and nature. Keep her name in mind if you're interested in those topics. You won't be disappointed.

[Runner2017]

I have little problem with this pipeline, I heat my home with Natural Gas and pipelines are the least worst way for that distribution. BUT, they should not be riding ATVs down the trail, period.

It's all the protestors' fault. They're brainwashed and falsely believe it's their land. It's not. They simply don't understand the truth in a market economy has always been who has the money makes the rule.

[TNhiker]

The Forest Service apologizes for the atvs...


http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/fo...62c17e77a.html

[FreeGoldRush]

It's all the protestors' fault. They're brainwashed and falsely believe it's their land. It's not. They simply don't understand the truth in a market economy has always been who has the money makes the rule.

The protestors understand this well. That is why they are protesting.

[Lone Wolf]

it's gonna get built. the hypocritical "protesters" need to jump back into their priuses and move on down the road

[BuckeyeBill]

The Forest Service apologizes for the atvs...


http://www.roanoke.com/news/local/fo...62c17e77a.html

Well at least they owned up to damaging the trail. Now lets get them to tell us when they are going to return the trail to its earlier condition. May not sound like much to some people but it certainly looked like a twisted or sprained ankle to me. Lone Wolf was correct when he said it's going to built even if all the tree climbers and pole sitters get deathly sick from lack of water and food.

[OCDave]

it's gonna get built. the hypocritical "protesters" need to jump back into their priuses and move on down the road

Even when this protest eventually fails, it will have raised public consciousness. Awareness is a necessary starting point to change.

Our country's energy policies are so favorable to "Big Oil" because those policies were written by Big Oil and paid for by Big Oil in the form of campaign contributions. Nary a peep of protest was heard because these things happen hidden in bureaucracy. Protesters such as these tree sitters, Greenpeace ect are effective because those who work the shadows will find it less comfortable if there work is more likely to be exposed.

[Lone Wolf]

Even when this protest eventually fails, it will have raised public consciousness. Awareness is a necessary starting point to change.

Our country's energy policies are so favorable to "Big Oil" because those policies were written by Big Oil and paid for by Big Oil in the form of campaign contributions. Nary a peep of protest was heard because these things happen hidden in bureaucracy. Protesters such as these tree sitters, Greenpeace ect are effective because those who work the shadows will find it less comfortable if there work is more likely to be exposed.

hayduke had no problem throwin' beer cans out the jeep on a road...

[OCDave]

hayduke had no problem throwin' beer cans out the jeep on a road...

I don't know what that means.

[Lone Wolf]

I don't know what that means.

George W. Hayduke. a character in Edward Abbey's novel "The Monkey Wrench Gang". blow up a dammed river but throw out beer cans on the side of a man-made road is ok. good book read it

[OCDave]

George W. Hayduke. a character in Edward Abbey's novel "The Monkey Wrench Gang". blow up a dammed river but throw out beer cans on the side of a man-made road is ok. good book read it

Thanks, I'll look for it.

[Lone Wolf]

you know, drivin' to a tree sittin' in a POS car leakin' fluids on a road that shed the fluids into a stream to protest the same thing

[soilman]

Seems like law enforcement is less tolerant of the tree sitters than they were of the armed militia that occupied the federal wildlife refuge a few years ago. I also find it ironic that the FS is using motorized vehicles on the AT when years ago just a few miles up the trail while on trail crew we couldn't even use a chain saw to clear a downed tree blocking the trail.

[Runner2017]

Seems like law enforcement is less tolerant of the tree sitters than they were of the armed militia that occupied the federal wildlife refuge a few years ago. I also find it ironic that the FS is using motorized vehicles on the AT when years ago just a few miles up the trail while on trail crew we couldn't even use a chain saw to clear a downed tree blocking the trail.

That's precisely because they are unarmed. Once you take up arms against a bunch of sh^ts there is no way back. You will be treated as enemy of the people I mean state.

[BlackCloud]

If you recall, that armed resistance business ended on the wildlife refuge ended in a shootout w/ one of the protestors being killed by an FBI agent.

[Alleghanian Orogeny]

Even when this protest eventually fails, it will have raised public consciousness. Awareness is a necessary starting point to change.

Our country's energy policies are so favorable to "Big Oil" because those policies were written by Big Oil and paid for by Big Oil in the form of campaign contributions. Nary a peep of protest was heard because these things happen hidden in bureaucracy. Protesters such as these tree sitters, Greenpeace ect are effective because those who work the shadows will find it less comfortable if there work is more likely to be exposed.

It's going to get built, but not because of some shadowy policies or regulations demanded by "Big Oil". "Big Oil" only in the minds of those with little understanding of free market capitalism. For there to be a "Big Oil" would require coordination and cooperation among literally thousands of independent exploration and production companies, vertically integrated producers and refiners, distributors, pipeline companies, and so forth. If you've ever dealt with the oil industry, you'd understand they're about as fiercely independent and competitive with one another that the idea of collusion is downright laughable. It'd be like trying to herd cats, only worse.

The real reason it'll be built is that the pipeline crosses private property where easement negotiations or eminent domain acquisitions are completed and where it crosses public land, it does so mostly within National Forests, as is the case here. The very cornerstone of the statutes and regulations involving National Forest lands, including enabling legislation and regulations promulgated thereunder written before pipelines, buried electrical lines, and overhead electric transmission lines were commonplace, is the requirement that the NF lands are to be managed as multiple-use lands. Subject to a myriad of rules and regulations, NF lands are required under Federal law to be managed with fair consideration towards allowing logging, mining, oil and gas development, and other commercial development. All of the citizens of the US share ownership of NF lands, and plenty of them rightly demand that multiple-use policies be strictly adhered to in order to further the national interests and to produce revenue from the hundreds of millions of acres under NF, BLM, and US F&WS ownership. Such uses which are completely within the national interests include promoting efficient development and distribution of natural resources found on both public and private property. The notion that the Forest Service allows a pipeline easement which meets the requirements of its management plan because of some vested interests contributing to individual members of Congress or to PACs is, quite frankly, baloney.

AO

[rocketsocks]

It's going to get built, but not because of some shadowy policies or regulations demanded by "Big Oil". "Big Oil" only in the minds of those with little understanding of free market capitalism. For there to be a "Big Oil" would require coordination and cooperation among literally thousands of independent exploration and production companies, vertically integrated producers and refiners, distributors, pipeline companies, and so forth. If you've ever dealt with the oil industry, you'd understand they're about as fiercely independent and competitive with one another that the idea of collusion is downright laughable. It'd be like trying to herd cats, only worse.

The real reason it'll be built is that the pipeline crosses private property where easement negotiations or eminent domain acquisitions are completed and where it crosses public land, it does so mostly within National Forests, as is the case here. The very cornerstone of the statutes and regulations involving National Forest lands, including enabling legislation and regulations promulgated thereunder written before pipelines, buried electrical lines, and overhead electric transmission lines were commonplace, is the requirement that the NF lands are to be managed as multiple-use lands. Subject to a myriad of rules and regulations, NF lands are required under Federal law to be managed with fair consideration towards allowing logging, mining, oil and gas development, and other commercial development. All of the citizens of the US share ownership of NF lands, and plenty of them rightly demand that multiple-use policies be strictly adhered to in order to further the national interests and to produce revenue from the hundreds of millions of acres under NF, BLM, and US F&WS ownership. Such uses which are completely within the national interests include promoting efficient development and distribution of natural resources found on both public and private property. The notion that the Forest Service allows a pipeline easement which meets the requirements of its management plan because of some vested interests contributing to individual members of Congress or to PACs is, quite frankly, baloney.

AO

this^^^^^^

[Runner2017]

If you recall, that armed resistance business ended on the wildlife refuge ended in a shootout w/ one of the protestors being killed by an FBI agent.

Yeah. Anything/anyone who blocks the flow of profit has been, is being, and always will be mercilessly crushed and terminated. Freedom!

[OCDave]

It's going to get built, but not because of some shadowy policies or regulations demanded by "Big Oil". "Big Oil" only in the minds of those with little understanding of free market capitalism. For there to be a "Big Oil" would require coordination and cooperation among literally thousands of independent exploration and production companies, vertically integrated producers and refiners, distributors, pipeline companies, and so forth. If you've ever dealt with the oil industry, you'd understand they're about as fiercely independent and competitive with one another that the idea of collusion is downright laughable. It'd be like trying to herd cats, only worse....

So... you're not familiar with the Koch brothers?

[Lone Wolf]

Yeah. Anything/anyone who blocks the flow of profit has been, is being, and always will be mercilessly crushed and terminated. Freedom!

who do you pay for gas, electric and all other consumer goods? everything you purchase is for profit. don't be a hypocrite