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    Many years ago there was a movement to make every mile of the AT, ADA compliant. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother Natures Son View Post
    Many years ago there was a movement to make every mile of the AT, ADA compliant. Go figure.
    You've got to be kidding me! What a ridiculous notion. There is a guy whose life's mission is to go into food establishments, find ADA violations, and then sue. He's sued hundreds of times. I think people may start with good intentions, but then hubris takes over and they forget why they started.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Traffic Jam View Post
    Iím not sure why people think that having an ADA privy in the Backcountry is ludicrous. More and more people with disabilities are breaking boundaries and more power to Ďem.
    Indeed. Several years ago I ran into a slightly overweight guy at LeConte shelter who hiked up there with an above knee prosthesis. He had a heck of a time getting there. Pretty awesome to see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madgoat View Post
    Indeed. Several years ago I ran into a slightly overweight guy at LeConte shelter who hiked up there with an above knee prosthesis. He had a heck of a time getting there. Pretty awesome to see.
    I would contend that this same hiker would have been able to "make do" with a non-ADA compliant privy and/or shelter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lonehiker View Post
    I would contend that this same hiker would have been able to "make do" with a non-ADA compliant privy and/or shelter.
    The stainless steel handrails in GSMNP privies crack me up. Anyone who is able to get to one of those can use the privy without handrails.

    Which makes you wonder why the shelters are not shutdown by the same health department that requires bald chefs to wear hair nets while cooking.

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    Hikers with spina bifida, paralysis, etc, and are being carried need extra room in toilets and need hand rails.

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    I'm all for a strategically-placed privy. Better a single large hole filled with doo-doo, which is covered over when full, than five thousand little holes, dug God-knows-where, and with toilet paper flowers strewn about....
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    Quote Originally Posted by foodbag View Post
    I'm all for a strategically-placed privy. Better a single large hole filled with doo-doo, which is covered over when full
    That's a latrine...

    The GSMNP uses Moldering (Composting) Privies. There's no "hole in the ground".

    While not a perfect description, I would describe a moldering privy like this:
    Build a platform built about 4 feet off the ground with the perimeter below the privy lined with chicken wire (keeps the stack of poop in place and keeps wild animals out).
    The platform has three "stations", and the seat is rotated from station to station as the space under the seat fills with poop/tp/mulch.
    Start with the seat in Station 1. As Station 1 gets full, move the seat to Station 2.
    When Station 2 gets full, move the seat to Station 3 and spread what remains of the the now composted waste from Station 1 around the area like fertilizer.
    Continue the process moving the seat back to Station 1 and spreading around the composted waste from prior stations.
    There's never a hole dug nor a hole that gets filled.
    The combination of open-air design and composting process keeps the smell down.
    Since this is the mountains, the platform is usually build on the side of a hill where a small bridge allows you to walk from ground level to the platform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by foodbag View Post
    I'm all for a strategically-placed privy. Better a single large hole filled with doo-doo, which is covered over when full, than five thousand little holes, dug God-knows-where, and with toilet paper flowers strewn about....
    Those little holes, properly mixed with damp microorganism containg topsoil, are totally gone in days.

    Unlike a big cesspool

    And to be quite honest, in some places, if you just crap on surface, hogs will eat it overnight. I observed this on my hunting lease..... Probably work for gsmnp too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWaters View Post
    And to be quite honest, in some places, if you just crap on surface, hogs will eat it overnight. I observed this on my hunting lease..... Probably work for gsmnp too.
    Way too many visitors to GSMNP, and that's quick way to spread pathogens... (there's already enough problems getting people to properly bury their waste... we DO NOT need people to just start pooping on the ground and leave it there).
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWaters View Post
    Those little holes, properly mixed with damp microorganism containg topsoil, are totally gone in days.
    Making poop soup...I was looking for that article the other day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HooKooDooKu View Post
    Way too many visitors to GSMNP, and that's quick way to spread pathogens... (there's already enough problems getting people to properly bury their waste... we DO NOT need people to just start pooping on the ground and leave it there).


    A good example of this is Russell field shelter...

    it doesn't (or at least it didn't the last time I was up there about 6 years ago) have a privy and the surrounding area is just a mine field of poop and toilet paper..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mother Natures Son View Post
    Many years ago there was a movement to make every mile of the AT, ADA compliant. Go figure.
    its not so much ADA compliance as it is making the AT comply with Federal laws as in multiple laws dealing with accessibility. this is a legal requirement that is not going away - here is a document from the ATC on the subject

    http://www.appalachiantrail.org/docs...sign-guide.pdf


    the accessibility laws have brought about changes in privy and in lean-to design and even design of AMC huts in NH.

    changes in lean-to design

    https://journeys.appalachiantrail.or...nable-camping/

    changes in privy design including the accessibility required by law

    https://www.appalachiantrail.org/doc...rsn=6322f827_6

    Galehead hut accessibility

    https://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/17/u...rs-matter.html


    i know everybody likes to laugh at the idea of a wheelchair accessible privy on the AT but this is out of the control of the local trail clubs its federal law and as such must be followed. morally its the right thing to do, not everybody is so lucky in health as most of us here.

    and before you say it no they are not going to pave the trail...

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    What we need in this world is a marked-off area, say in Siberia or the Nevada Desert, where there are no laws, no government and no rules. Anybody can go, anybody is welcome back into society (if they obey the law) but in that area no government will interfere in any way. That way privies in the back country, socialism, anarchism, white supremacy, Islamism, Trumpism, liberalism and modern art can have a good, honest-to-God battle royale, no holds barred and see what happens. It'd be curious to see what would happen.
    But I reckon I got to light out for the Territory ahead of the rest, because Aunt Sally she's going to adopt me and sivilize me, and I can't stand it. I been there before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gorgiewave View Post
    What we need in this world is a marked-off area, say in Siberia or the Nevada Desert, where there are no laws, no government and no rules. Anybody can go, anybody is welcome back into society (if they obey the law) but in that area no government will interfere in any way. That way privies in the back country, socialism, anarchism, white supremacy, Islamism, Trumpism, liberalism and modern art can have a good, honest-to-God battle royale, no holds barred and see what happens. It'd be curious to see what would happen.
    We have those set aside areas in the US, we call them Designated Wilderness areas. To the balance of your suggestions, I doubt anarchy will solve much given its history, but good luck with that~

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    [QUOTE=HooKooDooKu;2219430]"Nice idea, but does not belong in the back country and should not be maintained by volunteers!!!"

    Yeah, pretty ignorant graffiti. However, as one who abhors concentrated camping, maybe that's what the author was lashing out at. On my through hike two years ago I slept in or near shelters twice. I never used one of those composting toilets. From those two shelter experiences, I considered anywhere within a 200 meter radius of a shelter to be contaminated and unhealthy. Stealth camping, that's where it's at. Fire away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bansko View Post
    Stealth camping, that's where it's at. Fire away.
    This graffiti was at a shelter compost toilet in GSMNP.
    Stealth Camping is illegal in GSMNP as you are required to camp at designated campsites.
    In the case of AT thru-hiker permits, you're required to camp at the shelters on the AT. IF the shelter is full, the AT thru-hiker can camp in the general vicinity of the shelter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNhiker View Post
    As far as I know---the privies are maintained by both ridge runners and volunteers....
    Yes. The privies are built by the Smoky Mountain Hiking Club who maintain them with help from the ridge runners.

    I think there were two ridge runners this season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rmitchell View Post
    Yes. The privies are built by the Smoky Mountain Hiking Club who maintain them with help from the ridge runners.

    I think there were two ridge runners this season.
    I have always wondered how they collect and transport all that waste and what they do with it? Anybody know how they handle the job?(slight pun intended,sorry...)
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