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    Step in right direction finally
    Shame it took so long
    Delay and other attempts just made the problem worse and solution take longer

    GSMNP is a good model to follow, they handle similar issues continuously.

    I suspect ....the delay was until after peak summer activity was over.. ... .politics

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWaters View Post
    Shame it took so long
    I suspect ....the delay was until after peak summer activity was over.. ... .politics
    i donít understand your reasoning for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gpburdelljr View Post
    i donít understand your reasoning for this.
    Itís clear as mud. School started. Labor Day is nearly gone. Visitors decline rapidly until leaf season.
    Perhaps the problem will be diminished in time for the Leaf Peepers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venchka View Post
    It’s clear as mud. School started. Labor Day is nearly gone. Visitors decline rapidly until leaf season.
    Perhaps the problem will be diminished in time for the Leaf Peepers?
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    It’s a FS decision. They won’t lose any revenue by restricting dispersed camping, or camping on the AT, all of which is free, so why would they delay the closings till after peak season?

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    Did you read the list of groups involved with formulating a plan?
    It was quite long and involved several agencies.
    The the government moves in mysterious ways.
    They do what they do because they can.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Venchka View Post
    Did you read the list of groups involved with formulating a plan?
    It was quite long and involved several agencies.
    The the government moves in mysterious ways.
    They do what they do because they can.
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    Where is the list of groups I nvolved in formulating the plan? I canít find it in the links provided in post #1. While the ATC publicized the order, there doesnít seem to be any indication that the ATC, or anyone other group, was involved in the FS decision and order. What would be the motive of the FS, or any other group , in delaying past peak hiking season. ďThe government moves in mysterious waysĒ doesnít answer any of these questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gpburdelljr View Post
    It’s a FS decision. They won’t lose any revenue by restricting dispersed camping, or camping on the AT, all of which is free, so why would they delay the closings till after peak season?
    Ask this:

    Why didnt they take the most drastic, effective step initially?

    Because they attempt to balance priorities

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWaters View Post
    Ask this:

    Why didnt they take the most drastic, effective step initially?

    Because they attempt to balance priorities
    Saying they deliberately delayed past peak hiking season is a speculative assumption, unsupported by any information. If Iím wrong, and you have any real information on what went into the decision, please provide it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWaters View Post


    I suspect ....the delay was until after peak summer activity was over.. ... .politics
    6th grade reading comprehension...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWaters View Post
    6th grade reading comprehension...
    You ae correct, you did use the word “suspect”. My apologies. But as far as I can tell you have no basis whatsoever for this suspension, which is my point.

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    LaurieP, The ATC spokes person, listed the committee members when the group was formed. In August I imagine. I was on vacation at the time and not privileged to 24/7 WhiteBlaze access. A WhiteBlaze search should find the information.
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    Here is the original post:

    Quote Originally Posted by Lauriep View Post
    Land managers are evaluating options to mitigate the human-bear conflicts in the Mt. Rogers/Grayson Highlands State Park area while also ensuring the public's safety.

    The U.S. Forest Service, Virginia State Parks, the Regional Wildlife Manager from the Virginia Department of Game & Inland Fisheries, the Appalachian Trail Conservancy, and the Mt. Rogers A.T. Club are working together to address the situation.

    Management efforts over the summer have included extensive on-the-ground education, the installation of bear-resistant boxes, and electric fences. ATC also just recently developed a bear incident report form (we encourage anyone who has had an encounter with a bear to use. It can be found at www.appalachiantrail.org/bears.)

    We expect additional measures to address the escalating bear activity will be announced and implemented soon. Please follow ATC’s Trail Updates page at www.appalachiantrail.org/updates for the latest information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuddyWaters View Post
    Ask this:

    Why didnt they take the most drastic, effective step initially?

    Because they attempt to balance priorities
    The answer is rather evident >>> because it involves several government agencies. These government agencies are so effective and competent that they still have nothing posted at Elk Garden. We drove by the parking lot/trail head at 3:30pm today. Counted 27 vehicles in parking lot and two separate groups that appeared to be backpacking (packs too large for day hikers) heading towards Mt Rogers. Problem should have been handled in the spring and is still being bungled.
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    As far as I know, no one has been injured as a result of the way the situation has been handled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gpburdelljr View Post
    As far as I know, no one has been injured as a result of the way the situation has been handled.
    Thank goodness that the US & Canadian Parks in the Northern Rockies are managed in a more timely manner.
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    Surprising they haven't tried the simple solution. Posting at each access point (with a copy of the map shown in the links to make it easier to see which area they describe and where you are in relation to it):

    The section of the AT between x & y has had increased bear presence. If you plan to camp in this area make sure you have appropriate items to protect your food and gear from bears.

    Then let everyone choose what to do - if they choose to ignore it and something happens that's their fault, not anyone else's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Venchka View Post
    LaurieP, The ATC spokes person, listed the committee members when the group was formed. In August I imagine. I was on vacation at the time and not privileged to 24/7 WhiteBlaze access. A WhiteBlaze search should find the information.
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    Virginia Department of Game and Inland Fisheries
    Grayson Highlands State Park
    US Forest Service - GWJeffersion
    Mount Rogers National Recreation Area
    Appalachian Trail Conservancy
    Mount Rogers Appalachian Trail Club

    Were the primary entities determining a plan. Closure was delayed in part because due to an additional review requested surprisingly high up the food chain.

    Happy to answer any other specific questions

    Andrew, ATC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gpburdelljr View Post
    As far as I know, no one has been injured as a result of the way the situation has been handled.
    Your not including the bears.

    Every time they get human food it brings them closer to being a junkie. Closer to death.

    Its not about the people
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