Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 80 of 171
  1. #61

    Default

    For what its worth, killing an animal for being a danger to people, however justified it might be, is NOT euthanasia. Let's stop misusing the word to mask the reality of the situation.
    "It's fun to have fun, but you have to know how." ---Dr. Seuss

  2. #62

    Join Date
    05-05-2011
    Location
    state of confusion
    Posts
    9,869
    Journal Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Feral Bill View Post
    It's not easy to come up with phone numbers for NPS sites.
    Googling gsmnp backcountry information phone is pretty simple.

    If they dont have answer, they will give # of someone that can help.

  3. #63

    Join Date
    05-05-2011
    Location
    state of confusion
    Posts
    9,869
    Journal Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Feral Bill View Post
    For what its worth, killing an animal for being a danger to people, however justified it might be, is NOT euthanasia. Let's stop misusing the word to mask the reality of the situation.
    Animal euthanasia has its own definition and usage. Perhaps the term IS used to psychologically soften the impact of putting animals down (theres another term), but it is a commonly used phrase.

    Does common usage define whats correct? Or a narrow definition from websters?

    If only websters did, language would not evolve. Hence, websters does not.
    Last edited by MuddyWaters; 09-14-2018 at 20:03.

  4. #64

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Feral Bill View Post
    It's not easy to come up with phone numbers for NPS sites.
    Here is a number and email for the Public Information Officer.

    https://www.nps.gov/grsm/learn/news/...licaffairs.htm

  5. #65
    Registered User
    Join Date
    12-19-2005
    Location
    Knoxville, TN
    Posts
    3,024
    Images
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Feral Bill View Post
    It's not easy to come up with phone numbers for NPS sites.



    It took me less than 5 seconds to find a number via the google machine...

  6. #66
    Registered User scope's Avatar
    Join Date
    03-08-2006
    Location
    Chamblee, GA
    Age
    55
    Posts
    1,496
    Images
    34

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by TNhiker View Post
    It took me less than 5 seconds to find a number via the google machine...
    Which lever did you pull?
    "I wonder if anyone else has an ear so tuned and sharpened as I have, to detect the music, not of the spheres, but of earth, subtleties of major and minor chord that the wind strikes upon the tree branches. Have you ever heard the earth breathe... ?"
    - Kate Chopin

  7. #67
    Registered User
    Join Date
    12-19-2005
    Location
    Knoxville, TN
    Posts
    3,024
    Images
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by scope View Post
    Which lever did you pull?

    The one that said "do not pull"....

    so i pushed it.....

  8. #68
    GSMNP 900 Miler
    Join Date
    02-25-2007
    Location
    Birmingham, AL
    Age
    52
    Posts
    4,207
    Journal Entries
    1
    Images
    5

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Feral Bill View Post
    For what its worth, killing an animal for being a danger to people, however justified it might be, is NOT euthanasia. Let's stop misusing the word to mask the reality of the situation.
    Euthanasia is about humanly killing someone to relieve them of some sort of suffering.

    Euthanasia has nothing to do with this news story as the bear is going to be "euthanized". Look up the definition of the word and you'll see the word means to kill an animal humanly... That's all it means. The word has no meaning as to WHY the animal is being killed, only the manner in which it is to take place.

  9. #69

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by CalebJ View Post
    That may be, but has nothing to do with the situation here. The news stations reported the information they were given accurately and in a timely manner. The responsibility for the incorrect information lies solely with the NPS and hardly constitutes 'fake news'.
    If it's incorrect, then it's fake. The reason, explanation, intention, source, etc., of the incorrect facts are irrelevant. It's fake. Your logic would imply that identical content can be either "news" or "fake news" depending on the identity of the creator of the content. 1+1=2 exactly 100% of the time and does not depend on the identity of who reveals the equation.

  10. #70
    GSMNP 900 Miler
    Join Date
    02-25-2007
    Location
    Birmingham, AL
    Age
    52
    Posts
    4,207
    Journal Entries
    1
    Images
    5

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by FreeGoldRush View Post
    If it's incorrect, then it's fake. The reason, explanation, intention, source, etc., of the incorrect facts are irrelevant. It's fake. Your logic would imply that identical content can be either "news" or "fake news" depending on the identity of the creator of the content. 1+1=2 exactly 100% of the time and does not depend on the identity of who reveals the equation.
    I'm going to assume the park service announced something like "the decision was made to euthanize the bear", and the new service relayed this message as "the bear has been euthanized"... and we're trying to call this "fake news"? Come on!!! This is NOT fake news... It is nothing more than the common miscommunication that occurs everyday as the media tries to move information from its source to the public.

    Let's save the term "fake news" for the lies people put out there on the internet.

  11. #71
    Registered User
    Join Date
    12-19-2005
    Location
    Knoxville, TN
    Posts
    3,024
    Images
    3

    Default

    Here is the press release the Park sent out....


    it's this quote that implies the Park put the bear down---“While the cause of Mr. Hill’s death is unknown at this time, after gathering initial evidence, consulting with other wildlife professionals and careful consideration, we made the difficult decision to euthanize this bear out of concern for the safety of park visitors and local residents,” said Superintendent Cash






    Great Smoky Mountains National Park
    News Release

    Release: September 12, 2018
    Contact: Julena Campbell,Julena_campbell@nps.gov, 865-436-1207
    Jamie Sanders,Jamie_Sanders@nps.gov, 865-436-1203




    Park Conducts Two Day Search, Finds Body of Missing Man



    Searchers in Great Smoky Mountain National Parkfound the body of William Lee Hill, Jr., 30, of Louisville, Tennessee yesterday afternoon around 1 pm, off Rich Mountain Road, approximately two miles north of Cades Cove. Park officials were notified on Sunday, September 9, that Hill and a companion, Joshua Morgan, came to the park on Friday to look for ginseng. The two separated during the day and Hill had not been heard from since. Park rangers began searching immediately and worked until after dark Sunday night.
    The search continued throughout Monday, focusing on high probability areas such as drainages in the area where Hill was last seen. Hill’s body was found on Tuesday, off-trail, approximately .5 miles from the gravel Rich Mountain Road and less than a mile from a residential area outside the park. “Our thoughts are with the family and friends of Mr. Hill during such a difficult time,” said park Superintendent Cassius Cash.
    Evidence of wildlife scavenging of the remains over the last several days was visible and an adult male bear remained in the area, showing aggressive behaviors, for many hours, even as rangers worked to recover Hill’s body throughout the evening hours. Wildlife biologists responded to the area, trapped the bear, and recovered human DNA from it. Out of concern for public safety, park officials determined the best course of action would be to humanely euthanize the bear.
    “While the cause of Mr. Hill’s death is unknown at this time, after gathering initial evidence, consulting with other wildlife professionals and careful consideration, we made the difficult decision to euthanize this bear out of concern for the safety of park visitors and local residents,” said Superintendent Cash. “This is always one of the hardest decisions a wildlife manager has to make, and is one that we did not take lightly. Over 2 million visitors come to the Cades Cove area annually and there are several residential areas very close to where we found Mr. Hill’s body. We could not take the risk of allowing this bear to approach or show aggression towards other people.”
    The incident remains under investigation. No additional details are available at this time.

  12. #72
    Registered User
    Join Date
    06-04-2018
    Location
    Husk NC
    Age
    64
    Posts
    292

    Default

    Over the last 12 years over 100,000 have been killed by hunters in PA, NY, VA, NC, SC,& WV. They were not euthanized nor were they "harvested". Most were treed/cornered by dogs then the hunter shot them as trophies. Just the facts.

    aa123704a.jpg
    .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ..........
    Travel not for the destination, but for the joy of the journey.

  13. #73

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by HooKooDooKu View Post
    I'm going to assume the park service announced something like "the decision was made to euthanize the bear", and the new service relayed this message as "the bear has been euthanized"... and we're trying to call this "fake news"? Come on!!! This is NOT fake news... It is nothing more than the common miscommunication that occurs everyday as the media tries to move information from its source to the public.

    Let's save the term "fake news" for the lies people put out there on the internet.
    I agree with you and did not bring up the "fake news" label for this story. My comment pointed out the absurdity of labeling it "fake news" based on something other than whether or not it was true.

    More importantly, I learned from this story that black bears sometimes like to eat people and behave agreessively when doing so. But like most of us, I have chosen to believe bears are not an issue when we sleep in the woods with our food hung properly. But I still worry and that is why this story is interesting.

  14. #74

    Default

    I not a hunter, so I don't have a dog in this race, however, I'm thankful that bear hunting is popular where hike (NW Wisconsin and Northern Minnesota). Every bear I have encountered hauled-ass as soon as he saw me. That's the way it should be. GSMNP is Disneyland with trees, I'll pass and hike in a more natural environment.
    Quote Originally Posted by DownYonder View Post
    Over the last 12 years over 100,000 have been killed by hunters in PA, NY, VA, NC, SC,& WV. They were not euthanized nor were they "harvested". Most were treed/cornered by dogs then the hunter shot them as trophies. Just the facts.

    aa123704a.jpg
    Sent from my PH-1 using Tapatalk

  15. #75
    Registered User
    Join Date
    12-19-2005
    Location
    Knoxville, TN
    Posts
    3,024
    Images
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by DownYonder View Post
    Over the last 12 years over 100,000 have been killed by hunters in PA, NY, VA, NC, SC,& WV. They were not euthanized nor were they "harvested". Most were treed/cornered by dogs then the hunter shot them as trophies. Just the facts.

    aa123704a.jpg




    fwiw----Tennessee also allows bear hunting.....

    in fact, there's one and maybe more, pieces of private land that border the Park that allows hunting ....

    the NC side is the same way.....

    i have seen hunting dogs on that side of the park....

  16. #76
    GSMNP 900 Miler
    Join Date
    02-25-2007
    Location
    Birmingham, AL
    Age
    52
    Posts
    4,207
    Journal Entries
    1
    Images
    5

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by TNhiker View Post
    Here is the press release the Park sent out....


    it's this quote that implies the Park put the bear down---“While the cause of Mr. Hill’s death is unknown at this time, after gathering initial evidence, consulting with other wildlife professionals and careful consideration, we made the difficult decision to euthanize this bear out of concern for the safety of park visitors and local residents,” said Superintendent Cash
    ...
    You are proving my point.

    If you CAREFULLY read that press release, the park service never said the bear was dead. They only said they made the DECISION to euthanize the bear. However, the media headlines reporting on this press release used the word "Bear Euthanized", a statement indicating the bear is dead.

    THAT was the source of this misunderstanding... why it was being reported the bear was dead when in fact he was not.
    Please don't get me wrong, I'm not faulting the journalists. I must admit that if the only thing I ever read about this story was the press release put out by the NPS, I too would have assumed the bear had been euthanized.
    But there is truth in the statement
    Quote Originally Posted by gpburdelljr View Post
    On virtually every news story I have ever read, where I had inside information, the facts were misreported.
    and that truth comes from the fact that language is complex and people are imperfect.

    In this case, we simply have the typical miscommunications that typically occurs as people try to relay information from one to another. You could argue the NPS should have issued a statement that made it plainly obvious the bear had not yet been killed. You could argue the press should have asked more questions before they published the headline "Bear Euthanized" when the words "Euthanized" didn't appear in the press release.

    But for someone to characterize this as "fake news" is just ridiculous. Fake news requires that someone misrepresent the information provided to them. The journalists are NOT misrepresenting the information being given to them, they are simply misreporting the information... information that will actually become 100% correct as soon as the NPS completes there their intent to euthanize the bear.

  17. #77
    ME => GA 19AT3 rickb's Avatar
    Join Date
    12-12-2002
    Location
    Marlboro, MA
    Posts
    6,865
    Journal Entries
    1
    Images
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by HooKooDooKu View Post
    In this case, we simply have the typical miscommunications that typically occurs as people try to relay information from one to another. You could argue the NPS should have issued a statement that made it plainly obvious the bear had not yet been killed. You could argue the press should have asked more questions before they published the headline "Bear Euthanized" when the words "Euthanized" didn't appear in the press release.

    So the park reported that they had trapped the bear, and the park super was quoted to say they had made the difficul decision to euthanize it.

    Does anyone think there was an appeals process?

    The bear is almost certainly dead.

  18. #78
    Registered User
    Join Date
    12-19-2005
    Location
    Knoxville, TN
    Posts
    3,024
    Images
    3

    Default

    If you CAREFULLY read that press release, the park service never said the bear was dead. They only said they made the DECISION to euthanize the bear.


    yes.....

    however you are forgetting one thing---we also had in person and phone call conversations with the Park about this in incident...

    i will ask the reporter who worked the story about what was said on record to him about it...

  19. #79
    Registered User
    Join Date
    12-19-2005
    Location
    Knoxville, TN
    Posts
    3,024
    Images
    3

    Default

    The bear is almost certainly dead


    the bear is dead once they find it and can get off a clean shot.....

    there is no going back on this bear...

  20. #80
    Registered User
    Join Date
    12-19-2005
    Location
    Knoxville, TN
    Posts
    3,024
    Images
    3

    Default

    must admit that if the only thing I ever read about this story was the press release put out by the NPS, I too would have assumed the bear had been euthanized.


    the Park really should have worded it better to be honest....

    they know that a story involving putting down a bear is going to create a poop storm and better to get things right in the beginning....

Page 4 of 9 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 ... LastLast
++ New Posts ++

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •