I got the Carbon Tiger Wall and returned it immediately... to thin for me.. For years I used a Fly Creek Platinum but it finally broke down and delaminated- stunk up all my gear with dead squirrel smell which the older tents are notorious for doing. I have a Duplex now. Great tent but not for everybody. I would get the tent you wanted.. a regular Tiger Wall .. tried and tested and it’s got poles.. a very excellent tent.