Starchi9ld - I am so glad you responded. I took my babies to the woods and they grew up backpacking and hiking and still do. Now we are looking again for overnight packs for the 5,6,7,8 yr old little people. Small gear has changed so much. There will be 3 adults supporting this plus the doggy. But question to you is what packs etc are out there now for these size little people. Thank you for your answer.