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    Quote Originally Posted by Slo-go'en View Post
    Man, there really isn't any other way across with in reason. It's either walk the 340 or swim.
    So absolutely no way to move the road walk off the road?

    The ATC has had great success doing that in other places, why not here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gpburdelljr View Post
    Or, as suggested by the ATC, use a shuttle. Eventually the ATC will implement something else, either a rebuilt footbridge, or a reroute. Itíll happen when it happens. Thereís no point to fretting about things we have no control over.
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    I was looking at the River Riders Web site this morning and see that they are a Gold Sponsor of the ATC. There may be an opportunity there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickb View Post
    So absolutely no way to move the road walk off the road?

    The ATC has had great success doing that in other places, why not here?
    If you take a walk on the road via Google Earth street view, you can see why. There does look to be a reasonably wide shoulder for most of the distance on the river side, but it does narrow down and nearly disappears in places. The posted speed limit is 45, so you can bet most are going 55.


    Just noticed another thing. There is no pedestrian foot path across the sandy hook bridge. Jersey barriers are right up against the old cast iron guard rails and there is no shoulder. Plus I saw big rigs on the road leading up to the bridge. No way would I try to walk across there, except maybe at 3 in morning.

    The only other option would be to re-route the trail to come down the east side of the ridge to get closer to the 340 bridge crossing. However, the east side of the ridge has a number of houses on it. I would guess most of that land is private property. It might be possible to cut through someone's backyard to connect to one of the roads that goes up the side of the ridge. But cutting a new trail is something that takes years too. Still have the problem of getting across the bridge safely.


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    The ATC put out an update on the HF bridge, not much new:
    "The #AppalachianTrail footbridge crossing the Potomac River in Harpers Ferry is still out of commission following the train derailment on Dec. 21, 2019, negotiations are underway to ensure that the footbridge is restored as quickly as possible.Details on the restoration and timetable for reopening the footbridge have not been finalized, however — while the footbridge remains closed, hikers should continue to make their own arrangements for shuttle services to bypass the closure.
    Hikers are not advised to walk on Highway 340 to cross into Maryland, as this roadway has narrow shoulders and heavy traffic. Information about available transportation options can be found at appalachiantrail.org/transportation."

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    Good to hear negotiations are under way with contractors to repair the footway over the river.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickb View Post
    Good to hear negotiations are under way with contractors to repair the footway over the river.
    I saw his, but it seemed to say the same thing they said a month ago? Did you see something that they are talking with contractors?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkeeterPee View Post
    I saw his, but it seemed to say the same thing they said a month ago? Did you see something that they are talking with contractors?
    It's a pretty complex process with a lot of moving parts that have to be addressed prior to engaging contractors who will do the actual rebuilding. Financial responsibility alone may become a litigious hurdle prior to performing the engineering work and develop plans that will need review and permitting before much visible work can start. While this may be fast tracked, it will still take a few months to get things sorted out.

    In the meantime, there is a business opportunity there for the entrepreneur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Traveler View Post
    It's a pretty complex process with a lot of moving parts that have to be addressed prior to engaging contractors who will do the actual rebuilding. Financial responsibility alone may become a litigious hurdle prior to performing the engineering work and develop plans that will need review and permitting before much visible work can start. While this may be fast tracked, it will still take a few months to get things sorted out.

    In the meantime, there is a business opportunity there for the entrepreneur.
    So no party has taken the lead on rebuilding the bridge yet?

    If so, the ATC needs to get moving on a re-route now.

    Having an incomplete Trail is not acceptable, and is dangerous!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickb View Post
    So no party has taken the lead on rebuilding the bridge yet?
    If so, the ATC needs to get moving on a re-route now.
    Having an incomplete Trail is not acceptable, and is dangerous!
    I agree with you but have you let the ATC know directly? I know Laurie follows the forum, but making direct contact with them will send a more urgent message. Here's the page for contact details:
    http://appalachiantrail.org/home/about-us/get-in-touch

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickb View Post
    So no party has taken the lead on rebuilding the bridge yet?

    If so, the ATC needs to get moving on a re-route now.

    Having an incomplete Trail is not acceptable, and is dangerous!
    You can always take a shuttle, as recommended the ATC, until the bridge is rebuilt. The ATC, and NPS, have limited budgets. Itís quite possible that the RR, or their insurance, will pay to rebuild the foot bridge. A reroute of the trail could be costly to get the proper easements, and build the reroute. I think it is perfectly reasonable for hikers to use a shuttle until the footbridge is rebuilt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gpburdelljr View Post
    You can always take a shuttle, as recommended the ATC, until the bridge is rebuilt.
    That will likely be the only real option for a while. The only question is how long? A season or two? Apparently it's illegal to hitchhike on the 340, but one might chat up a tourist leaving town in that direction...
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    I’ll be damned if I waited 15 years to thru hike and end up taking a yellow blaze? Not going to happen.
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    I suspect this will take a couple of years to work out. First there has to be a determination for responsibility (all RR fault or perhaps some other factor/party has partial). Then there has to be some sort of determination of how much liability they bare and an attempt to settlement. This could be fast or dragged out for years in legal limbo. Then there is getting the bridge replaced. Are there new regulations that require new environmental studies to be performed? Finding someone who can do the work within the financial limitations of the settlement and then getting the thing actually built. Unless the government steps in with some financial backing to help move things along, I betting on 5 years. Someone want to start a poll on how long they think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabasco View Post
    I’ll be damned if I waited 15 years to thru hike and end up taking a yellow blaze? Not going to happen.
    Then don’t go, or you could carry a piece of white tape and put in on the shuttle at HF, then it is no different than riding the canoe across the Kennebec river crossing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gpburdelljr View Post
    Then don’t go, or you could carry a piece of white tape and put in on the shuttle at HF, then it is no different than riding the canoe across the Kennebec river crossing.
    You hike your hike. I’ll hike mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabasco View Post
    You hike your hike. Iíll hike mine.
    I think as of now they're only offering shuttles to weaverton? Maybe by the time thru hikers start coming through someone will be offering shuttles to sandy hook rd . That would put you right across the bridge on the c&o, AT . If not you'll have to back track the 3.5 miles or so . It's pretty easy to do , if you don't want to miss any steps it's a nice easy flat walk along the river. ( AT- c&o canal) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by gpburdelljr View Post
    Then donít go, or you could carry a piece of white tape and put in on the shuttle at HF, then it is no different than riding the canoe across the Kennebec river crossing.
    The Blaze on the canoe is cute, but itís not the Trail.

    Hikers are traveling over the AT as it crosses the Kennebec Riveró even if they are in canoe.

    Taking a shuttle out of (or into) Harpers Ferry is fundamentally different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tabasco View Post
    You hike your hike. I’ll hike mine.
    Since a shuttle at HF is unacceptable to you, I assume you won’t start a thru hike until the bridge is rebuilt. I hope you don’t have to wait another 15 years until everything is perfect for your hike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Wolf View Post
    they can pay for a shuttle and deal with it
    Nothing to do with money.

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