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    Default From ATC email this afternoon

    Hopefully a good sign...

    To ensure hiker safety and health while on the A.T., we ask hikers to plan, prepare, and stay informed by undertaking the following:

    Register your hike: If you are planning a backpacking trip of any length — from an overnight trip to a full thru-hike — please register your hike at ATCamp.org. Registration opens on December 1, 2020. Registering your hike enables us to provide essential updates by text and/or email while you are traversing the A.T. and gives you the means to choose a starting date and location to help reduce crowding

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    ATC probably forced to face reality after loosing so many donors not renewing their membership due to the ATC loosing their focus of their mission over the past year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Astro View Post
    ATC probably forced to face reality after loosing so many donors not renewing their membership due to the ATC loosing their focus of their mission over the past year.
    I'm sure you have all sorts of evidence to back up that a) many donors didn't renew, and b) it had -anything- to do with 'loosing' (sic) their focus on the mission...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HankIV View Post
    Hopefully a good sign...

    To ensure hiker safety and health while on the A.T., we ask hikers to plan, prepare, and stay informed by undertaking the following:

    Register your hike: If you are planning a backpacking trip of any length — from an overnight trip to a full thru-hike — please register your hike at ATCamp.org. Registration opens on December 1, 2020. Registering your hike enables us to Flood your mailbox ,phone, email account with spam and to sell your information to anyone else with 2 nickles to rub together to do the same. provide essential updates by text and/or email while you are traversing the A.T. and gives you the means to choose a starting date and location to help reduce crowding
    Here fixed it for them

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    I registered last year and didn’t perceive any spam as a result.

    Donated a little more to ATC this year; figured some people wouldn’t be able to. Yeah I’m not happy with everything they do, but I’m happier with more that they do than I am with most orgs.

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    I also would like to see some evidence of the ATC losing donors..


    and as for their mission-----aren't they supposed to protect the trail? and the people who use the trail?


    'cause i'm guessing you are upset that they asked people not to hike during the Rona......

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    I bought more stuff on Amazon Smile and have ATC designated as the recipient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peakbagger View Post
    I bought more stuff on Amazon Smile and have ATC designated as the recipient.
    When you have a $4,000,000 payroll like the ATC every little bit helps.

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    When you have a $4,000,000 payroll like the ATC every little bit helps.


    i've been a member for decades but have never looked at their budget......

    they have a payroll of 4 mil?

    wonder (and i'll google in a minute but just talking to myself right now) how much their overall budget is?

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    $4M? How many employees do they have? And how much are the upper level people making????
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackCloud View Post
    $4M? How many employees do they have? And how much are the upper level people making????



    i don't have time to look at their budget right now but going to later today.......


    but that's my biggest beef with non profits (and working in the business i got outta of, i've heard the arguments of why they get that much as we would work
    with a lot of non profits)--------i don't understand why top personnel at a non profit makes a boatload of money?


    i saw this a bunch with one food bank we did decades of work with......

    their top brass made a ton of money------and they always had events where they were offering to feed me....

    i kept telling them to keep the food as i could afford to eat unlike some of their clients........and if they gave some
    of their salary back, they could fee more people.......after all, i thought that was their mission......

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    It's all right here: https://appalachiantrail.org/wp-cont...m-990-2016.pdf

    Top brass make a combined 300k for : Compensation of current officers, directors,
    trustees, and key employees

    RONALD J. TIPTON EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR = $200k.

    Could he make less? Sure, but it's not a volunteer position.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gravityman View Post
    It's all right here: https://appalachiantrail.org/wp-cont...m-990-2016.pdf

    Top brass make a combined 300k for : Compensation of current officers, directors,
    trustees, and key employees

    RONALD J. TIPTON EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR = $200k.

    Could he make less? Sure, but it's not a volunteer position.

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    here are latest financial forms
    https://appalachiantrail.org/our-wor...nnual-reports/

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    They are a 4 star on Charity Navigator - highest possible rating.

    77 cents of every dollar goes to program (the stuff they should be doing).
    15 cents to admin costs (salaries and other overhead).
    7 cents to fundraising activities.

    Salaries could be lower, but they don't waste a bunch on money of the costs of fundraising activities.

    I'd consider them good stewards of the funds they receive based on this independent rating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gravityman View Post
    It's all right here: https://appalachiantrail.org/wp-cont...m-990-2016.pdf

    Top brass make a combined 300k for : Compensation of current officers, directors,
    trustees, and key employees

    RONALD J. TIPTON EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR = $200k.

    Could he make less? Sure, but it's not a volunteer position.

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    I believe Ron in gone, and his replacement’s replacement quit last year as well.

    The ATC May be a worthy organization today, but in my (poorly informed, I will be the first to admit) opinion it seems to be a very different one from that built by Ron Tipton and his contemporaries.
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    I believe Ron in gone, and his replacement’s replacement quit last year as well.



    yeah......and the new lady just recently started...........

    the last issue of the magazine might have been her first.............maybe the one before that but it hasnt been that long....

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    Could he make less? Sure, but it's not a volunteer position.


    i agree that it's not a volunteer position----it's a full time job and more-----but 200k is a pretty nice
    salary............

    like a really nice salary, imo.....


    that kinda number would almost get me to go back into tv news....

    wait---what the f*%^ am i talking about? no amount of money would ever get me to
    go back into that line of work again.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNhiker View Post
    i agree that it's not a volunteer position----it's a full time job and more-----but 200k is a pretty nice
    salary............

    like a really nice salary, imo.....


    that kinda number would almost get me to go back into tv news....

    wait---what the f*%^ am i talking about? no amount of money would ever get me to
    go back into that line of work again.......
    I think they got David Startzell for a whole lot less.

    His mission was a lot more straight forward, however.

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    Hijacked on the second post and continued because of separate issues with the ATC. I'm going to repost into SF.
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