Shelter ethics.

**Footslogger** · 02-13-2008, 15:33

OK ...here's a really dumb question.

Why does a person need a tent INSIDE a shelter ??

Just curious ...

'Slogger

**Marta** · 02-13-2008, 15:34

Bugs. Warmth.

**rafe** · 02-13-2008, 15:34

Originally Posted by jerseyhick

I would think common sense would be enough but seeing how people sometimes act in public, I'd rather set up away from shelters.

There have been many nights where I started in a shelter, and ended in my tent nearby.

**jhick** · 02-13-2008, 15:34

bugs. But if you're setting it up because of bugs, why not set it up outside the shelter?

**rafe** · 02-13-2008, 15:36

Originally Posted by Footslogger

OK ...here's a really dumb question.

Why does a person need a tent INSIDE a shelter ??

Just curious ...

'Slogger

See Msg. 58. A small freestanding tent (eg. BA SL1) without the fly, makes a decent bug canopy.

**rafe** · 02-13-2008, 15:37

Originally Posted by jerseyhick

bugs. But if you're setting it up because of bugs, why not set it up outside the shelter?

Not always an option. But if there's no contention for the space, why not?

**Footslogger** · 02-13-2008, 15:40

Originally Posted by _terrapin_

See Msg. 58. A small freestanding tent (eg. BA SL1) without the fly, makes a decent bug canopy.

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OK ...guess I can understand the bug thing. Now that I think of it, in 2003 I slept inside my OR Bug Bivy inside a shelter or two (on a rainy night) but the bivy is no wider than my sleeping bag so it didn't end up taking up any more room than my matress.

'Slogger

**DesertMTB** · 02-13-2008, 16:03

Originally Posted by Footslogger

OK ...here's a really dumb question.

Why does a person need a tent INSIDE a shelter ??

Just curious ...

'Slogger

Psychological protection from mice.

**hobojoe** · 02-13-2008, 16:07

Originally Posted by DesertMTB

Psychological protection from mice.

psychological ONLY. Mice have teeth.

**Blissful** · 02-13-2008, 16:12

Originally Posted by _terrapin_

There have been many nights where I started in a shelter, and ended in my tent nearby.

Been there, done that...with chain smokers and really bad coughs.

**Footslogger** · 02-13-2008, 16:15

Originally Posted by hobojoe

psychological ONLY. Mice have teeth.

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...and they can chew right through tent material !!

'Slogger

**hobojoe** · 02-13-2008, 16:17

Originally Posted by Footslogger

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...and they can chew right through tent material !!

'Slogger

......and love every minute of it.

**Blissful** · 02-13-2008, 16:18

If no one else is around, why not. But I have to admit, if I arrive, even if I'm tenting, and I see a tent set up in a shelter it makes me kind of upset. I don't know why, really. It looks like the palace royale or the person is "heir apparent" of the premises, maybe. A psychological thing. A ridgerunner in CT had his tent set up in a shelter when we got there and it really "bugged" me. He had set his up for the mosquitos, but to me, I thought he would know better, realizing hikers would be coming in.

**hobojoe** · 02-13-2008, 16:20

Originally Posted by Blissful

If no one else is around, why not. But I have to admit, if I arrive, even if I'm tenting, and I see a tent set up in a shelter it makes me kind of upset. I don't know why, really. It looks like the palace royale or the person is "heir apparent" of the premises, maybe. A psychological thing. A ridgerunner in CT had his tent set up in a shelter when we got there and it really "bugged" me. He had set his up for the mosquitos, but to me, I thought he would know better, realizing hikers would be coming in.

These "hidden" feelings are exactly why I posted this.

**mudhead** · 02-13-2008, 16:29

Originally Posted by hobojoe

Yeah, If I have to hear you wake up at 4AM you have to respect me at 9:00.........or later.

If I was to hear you at 9PM, I assure you, it would be before 4AM.

Tent is good for the 2AM might as well get ups.

**hobojoe** · 02-13-2008, 16:32

Originally Posted by mudhead

If I was to hear you at 9PM, I assure you, it would be before 4AM.

What???

**rafe** · 02-13-2008, 16:39

Originally Posted by hobojoe

These "hidden" feelings are exactly why I posted this.

Sensitive fella, aren't you? Anyone who's spent any time on the trail has encountered this -- you get to a shelter and you know right away, that it's not your kind of scene. Maybe it's the trash, or the bottles of liquor, or the smoke, or the shouting, or the long hair, or the short hair, or ...

Why fight it? There's a lot of room in the woods, find your own space elsewhere. No big deal.

**hobojoe** · 02-13-2008, 16:57

Originally Posted by _terrapin_

Sensitive fella, aren't you? Anyone who's spent any time on the trail has encountered this -- you get to a shelter and you know right away, that it's not your kind of scene. Maybe it's the trash, or the bottles of liquor, or the smoke, or the shouting, or the long hair, or the short hair, or ...

Why fight it? There's a lot of room in the woods, find your own space elsewhere. No big deal.

True dat, This got a little of topic. I am very sensitive about folks leaving trash in the woods. I don't care if you disrespect me so much, but just respect the wilderness, comprende?

**rafe** · 02-13-2008, 17:10

Originally Posted by hobojoe

True dat, This got a little of topic. I am very sensitive about folks leaving trash in the woods. I don't care if you disrespect me so much, but just respect the wilderness, comprende?

In general, I do... but a shelter is inherently non-wilderness.

(PS, I wouldn't think twice about dropping a Snickers wrapper into a campfire. That one was new to me.

)

**Tin Man** · 02-13-2008, 17:14

One of my first nights on the AT, I set my tent up in a shelter. Didn't make the floor any softer, so now I look for a softer surface outside the shelter and set my tent there. No mice and no rules to worry about - well, there are no rules really, but some think there are.

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