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    Default shipping white fuel

    looking to thru hike the ct in sept wondering if you can ship white fuel or iso butane through the mail more of what im asking is you think i could get away with it with out the post office taking it????????

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    Yeah you want to stick to a canister, alcohol or Esbit stove. Here's some directions on mailing.

    http://www.gottawalk.com/shipping_fuel.htm

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    US Postal Service regulations regarding shipping alcohol:

    4.0 FLAMMABLE AND COMBUSTIBLE LIQUIDS (HAZARD CLASS 3)
    Definitions
    4.1
    The terms used in the standards that apply to hazard class 3 are defined as
    follows:
    a. Flammable liquid means a liquid that has a flashpoint of not more than 141°F
    (60.5°C), or any material in a liquid phase that has a flashpoint at or
    above100°F (38°C).
    b. Combustible liquid means any liquid that does not meet the definition of any
    other hazard class and has a flashpoint above 141°F (60.5°C) and below
    200°F (93°C). Note: A flammable liquid with a flashpoint at or above 100°F
    (38°C) that does not meet the definition of any other hazard class may be
    reclassified as a combustible liquid per 49 CFR 173.120(b).
    Flammable Liquid
    Mailability
    4.2
    Flammable liquid is prohibited in international mail. Flammable liquid with a
    flashpoint of 20°F (-7°C) or below is prohibited in domestic mail. Other flammable
    liquid is prohibited in domestic mail via air transportation but is permitted via
    surface transportation if the material can qualify as an ORM-D material and meet
    the following conditions as applicable:
    a. The flashpoint is above 20°F (-7°C) but no more than 73°F (23°C); the liquid
    is in a metal primary receptacle not exceeding 1 quart, or in another type of
    primary receptacle not exceeding 1 pint, per mailpiece; enough cushioning
    surrounds the primary receptacle to absorb all potential leakage; the
    cushioning and primary receptacle are packed within a securely sealed
    secondary container that is placed within a strong outer shipping container;
    and each mailpiece is plainly and durably marked on the address side with
    “Surface Only” or “Surface Mail Only” and “ORM-D” immediately following or
    below the proper shipping name.
    b. The flashpoint is above 73°F (23°C) but less than 100°F (38°C); the liquid is
    in a metal primary receptacle not exceeding 1 gallon, or in another type of
    primary receptacle not exceeding 1 quart, per mailpiece; enough cushioning
    surrounds the primary receptacle to absorb all potential leakage; the
    cushioning and primary receptacle are placed within a securely sealed
    secondary container that is placed within a strong outer shipping container;
    and each mailpiece is plainly and durably marked on the address side with
    “Surface Only” or “Surface Mail Only” and “ORM-D” immediately following or
    below the proper shipping name.
    Combustible Liquid
    Mailability
    4.3
    Combustible liquid is prohibited in international mail. Combustible liquid is
    permitted in domestic mail if the material can qualify as an ORM-D material and
    meet the following conditions as applicable:
    a. For surface transportation, if the flashpoint is 100°F (38°C) but no more than
    141°F (60.5°C); the liquid is in a metal primary receptacle not exceeding 1
    gallon, or in another type of primary receptacle not exceeding 1 quart, per
    mailpiece; enough cushioning surrounds the primary receptacle to absorb all
    potential leakage; the cushioning and primary receptacle are packed in a
    securely sealed secondary container that is placed within a strong outer
    shipping container; and each mailpiece is plainly and durably marked on the
    address side with “Surface Only” or “Surface Mail Only” and “ORM-D”
    immediately following or below the proper shipping name.
    b. For surface or air transportation, if the flashpoint is above 141°F (60.5°C) but
    no more than 200°F (93°C); the liquid is in a primary receptacle not
    exceeding 1 gallon per mailpiece; enough cushioning surrounds the primary
    receptacle to absorb all potential leakage; the cushioning and primary
    receptacle are packed in a securely sealed secondary container that is
    placed within a strong outer shipping container; and each mailpiece is plainly
    and durably marked on the address side with “ORM-D” or “ORM-D AIR,” as
    applicable, immediately following or below the proper shipping name.
    Mailable material sent via surface transportation must be marked on the
    address side as “Surface Only” or “Surface Mail Only.” For air transportation,
    each mailpiece must bear a shipper’s declaration for dangerous goods.
    c. For air or surface transportation, if the flashpoint is above 200°F (93°C) the
    material is not regulated as a hazardous material. Such nonregulated
    materials must be properly and securely packaged to prevent leakage under
    the general packaging requirements in C010.
    Cigarette Lighters
    4.4
    A cigarette lighter equipped with an ignition element and containing fuel is a Class
    3 flammable liquid. A cigarette lighter that contains a flammable gas is classed as
    a Division 2.1 flammable gas. A cigarette lighter containing either flammable liquid
    or flammable gas is permitted only in domestic mail via surface transportation
    when all of the following conditions are met:
    a. The design of the lighter and its packaging are approved by the DOT
    Associate Administrator for Hazardous Material Safety, per 49 CFR 173.21(i)
    and 173.308; and a DOT Approval Number (T-Number) is issued.
    b. The prospective mailer of the lighter submits to the appropriate RCSC
    manager a written request for authorization to mail the lighter, accompanied
    by a legible photocopy of the official DOT notice conveying the approval
    described in 4.4a and a specimen of the actual lighter, the packaging
    materials in which each lighter is to be mailed, the number of mailpieces and
    mailing location; and the mailer receives from the RCSC manager a letter
    approving the requested authorization for mailing.
    c. When presented for mailing, the address side of the mailpiece containing the
    lighter prominently displays the T-Number, the proper shipping name “Lighter
    for Cigarette,” and the marking “Surface Only” or “Surface Mail Only”; all
    preparation and packaging requirements in the RCSC manager's approval
    letter are met; and a legible photocopy of the RCSC manager's approval
    letter accompanies the mailing.

    What this means to us:

    Primary Receptacle
    We can ship alcohol in a metal primary receptacle not to exceed 1 quart. A nonmetal primary receptacle must not exceed 1 pint. The primary receptacle must have a screw cap (with a minimum of one-and-one-half turns), soldering clips, or other means of secure closure (friction tops are not acceptable). Only one primary receptacle is permitted per mail piece.

    Cushioning Material and Secondary Packaging
    Enough cushioning material must surround the primary receptacle to prevent breakage and absorb any potential leakage. The cushioning and primary receptacle must be packed in a securely sealed secondary packaging.

    Outer Packaging
    A strong outer packaging that is capable of firmly and securely holding the primary receptacle, cushioning material, and secondary packaging is required.

    Marking
    Each mailpiece must be clearly marked on the address side with "Ground Service Only", "Consumer Commodity ORM-D", and the flashpoint of the flammable liquid (which is 13C/55F for denatured alcohol)


    Ground Service Only
    Consumer Commodity ORM-D
    Flashpoint 13C/55F

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    Make sure you print out this information and take it with you to the PO. I shipped some denatured last year, and they refused to ship it until I showed them the regulations allowing it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phreak View Post
    Make sure you print out this information and take it with you to the PO. I shipped some denatured last year, and they refused to ship it until I showed them the regulations allowing it.
    I've also had this problem, a lot of POs don't know the rules.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john gault View Post
    I've also had this problem, a lot of POs don't know the rules.
    my PO here in damascus doesn't know when or how to fly the American flag

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    here in Fairbanks AK at the Golden Days parade and rubber duckie race...folks didn't even come to attention or salute the colors as they passed.

    but lots of folks here have suppport our troops bumper stickers on thier SUVs.
    "I'd rather kill a man than a snake. Not because I love snakes or hate men. It is a question, rather, of proportion." Edward Abbey

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    happy birthday you old fart. SMS that is

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    thank you LW,

    btw I DID come to attention and salute our flag at the parade,
    "I'd rather kill a man than a snake. Not because I love snakes or hate men. It is a question, rather, of proportion." Edward Abbey

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    I agree,my local PO treats everyone as a terrorist. And even when they check the regs I have to explain them.


    Quote Originally Posted by john gault View Post
    I've also had this problem, a lot of POs don't know the rules.

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    My local PO in Pennsylvania is very helpful and knows a lot of rules.
    However, if you've ever seen the rulebook(s) you would be hard pressed to know them all also. THey do a dam fine job! IMO

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    We got fuel easily last year on the trail.. are ya sure you wanna ship ?

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    You can find gasoline everyplace, no need to ship it in the mail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiddlehead View Post
    My local PO in Pennsylvania is very helpful and knows a lot of rules.
    However, if you've ever seen the rulebook(s) you would be hard pressed to know them all also. THey do a dam fine job! IMO
    Agreed.
    I saw a guy pull out the (one of) rulebook and let me read it. then copied it for me, as it was written in lawyerese. NC. Pain to ship.

    I took my copies to another post office, was a major hoorah. I would not try to ship if possible.

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