with those long legs you probably could walk right over the top of the one that is picturedOriginally Posted by Kirby
i just have trouble deciding whether to bring my hockey skates or figure skates on my winter backpacking trips...
Heh. I'm not going to disagree with you. But I can cite any number of books on hiking ethics and such that say it's a bad thing to walk around it.
whatever, i'll walk around
That picture is from Mike Clelland, a NOLS instructor I worked with on a couple of occasions. If we were with students, we'd wade through because it was the "textbook" thing to do. When we were on our own, and the students on their small groups, unless our boots were already soaked, we'd find a way around without creating a new or wider trail.Heh. I'm not going to disagree with you. But I can cite any number of books on hiking ethics and such that say it's a bad thing to walk around it.
The problem is with making the mud hole bigger, not with reasonably keeping boots dry. The issue in the picture is creating the new trail.l
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If people spent less time being offended and more time actually living, we'd all be a whole lot happier!
Just remember folks, personal attacks and name-calling are NOT the way to go. Even if you don't like Lone Wolf, lay off the name-calling here. He isn't going there. Please don't yourselves.
BTW, I find the original picture kinda funny because it is SO true.
If people spent less time being offended and more time actually living, we'd all be a whole lot happier!
I'd call it a pretty typical "ethical dilemma." There's no way to walk around it without tramping some undergrowth. The next hiker sees that track and sensibly figures, "Why not, I won't be the first..." and so it goes.
Like I said, I'm not disagreeing with you or Mike C. or LW -- just making a point that there are no saints among us. We all have a point where we say, "the law is an ass..."
So if you were the first on the scene would you wade thru or make a new trail? I can't tell between these two posts.
If you carefully go well around, you make either so little trail that no one notices, or doesn't want to go the longish route around. I've done it more than once.
On trails where there is a mudhole and a clearly worn tread with no grass left that avoids it, I'm taking the clearly worn tread around. If any thing, at that point, you're best off dropping brush over the mud hole and making the new section the trail the only option.
If people spent less time being offended and more time actually living, we'd all be a whole lot happier!
If you have to ask, you're missing my point.
I often do with your postsIf you have to ask, you're missing my point.
To quote Hannibal Lechter, "Look deep inside your self."I often do with your posts
Seems to me Terrapin is saying use your best judgement. I like that philosophy.To quote Hannibal Lechter, "Look deep inside your self."
If people spent less time being offended and more time actually living, we'd all be a whole lot happier!
I don't find this amusing. It's actually quite dreadful on a cold day with lots and lots of these.Caption? This was taken on Greylock on Thursday.
Anything's within walking distance if you've got the time.
GA-ME 03, LT 04/06, PCT 07'
If you hike up to the left of that puddle a few hundred yards, there's a rock bar where it's safe to cross if you go 1st thing in the morning.
Ethan Pond trail (just south/west of Crawford notch) after a rain -- it's basically underwater. In a situation like that, just give up and slog through. There's no way to walk around every puddle, 'cuz the whole trail is one continuous puddle.
No offence to you, but I first read something to that effect over 20 years ago... It makes absolutely no sense to me.
I work around and with erosion control professionals everyday and have a vacation bonus reward when I report a soil conservation violation, so I do understand the basic concept.
this photo
First. I got a chuckle out of this... brings back some fond (sarcastically speaking) memories of the AT in Vermont and in Maine.
I think I would be tempted to go around on the left edge. But it may be, in conditions this bad, time to give up on staying dry. Just slog through as quick as possible. Going slow just allows the water to seep more.
I know I tried my best to avoid mud and puddles..but I always end up with wet feet anyway. Even Goretex boots don't help after a certain point. Nothin does.
I can't help but think though, some trail work by the maintaining club.. a good water bar for instance, or a log bridge or something.. and this situation would not occurr!
DavidNH
Sorry, I posted the above before I read page 2...Looks like you ain't exactly drinking the koolaid.
When the trail goes flat, it does, and it always will -- unless the treadway is artificially raised to be higher than the ground on either side. A lotta folks complain that the trail is over-engineered, as it is.
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