Evironmental Terrorism In Maryland

[Tim Rich]

In the event that an eco terrorist tried to burn down my house, I'd give them a round a piece and then call the police.

Unfortunately, many misguided folks here would buy them a round and demean the police.

[NICKTHEGREEK]

At this point ecoterrorism is one of MANY possible motives for the arson. Just about every agency possible, FBI, ATF, State State and local agencies are camped out on site looking for clues. There have been several recent arsons in new housing developments in the MD DC VA region, so this isn't really an isolated case. BTW the tract of land is approximately 10 acres with approx. 40 approved sites homes range upward from $400K (considered affordable mid-range in this locale).

[Tim Rich]

There was only one family in the incompleted project. Most of the houses were under construction.


I have to confess, if this was the race track I would find it very difficult to say it was entirely wrong. In this case though, it's obvious that it can't help environmentalism. Even if no one is really listening or doing anything about deforestation and sprawl anyway. This is just a security matter on the way to total development as seen in Atlanta...

Only one family, no big deal, right Roxy? I'll say it: if it were the racetrack it would be ENTIRELY WRONG. If Putnam Mine had opened and idiots monkeywrenched it, it would be ENTIRELY WRONG. If someone took a torch and cut down a cell tower or windmill, it would be ENTIRELY WRONG. If someone believed a shelter infringed upon their wilderness AT experience and torched it, it's ENTIRELY WRONG. If a float trip seeking a wilderness experience encounters a cable bridge that destroys their sense of detachment, popping the main cables to drop it would be ENTIRELY WRONG.

I do agee that YOU would find it difficult to say that.

So, what's going on down in pristine, undeveloped Ft. Myers today?

[Tim Rich]

At this point ecoterrorism is one of MANY possible motives for the arson. Just about every agency possible, FBI, ATF, State State and local agencies are camped out on site looking for clues. There have been several recent arsons in new housing developments in the MD DC VA region, so this isn't really an isolated case. BTW the tract of land is approximately 10 acres with approx. 40 approved sites homes range upward from $400K (considered affordable mid-range in this locale).

You're right, but the scale of the crime makes it unique. Regardless of the ultimate motive (ecoterrorism and racism have been mentioned), it's a shame.

[orangebug]

Someone commented earlier on the character of those who cheer the criminal behavior of these arsonists. I believe the word was "punk."

This also applies to those who espouse vigilante justice.

Same punks, same cowardice, same ignorance.

[Lone Wolf]

So you applaud arson? I applaud kickin the s**t outa the punks.

[orangebug]

I don't applaud punks. Vigilantes who believe the ends justifies the means (homicide or arson in this case) deserve consequences, including the criminal justice system when appropriate.

Loud mouthed punks deserve the back of my cyber-hand. We have a few on both sides of this crime.

[Bloodroot]

This also applies to those who espouse vigilante justice.
Same punks, same cowardice, same ignorance.

Till it happens to you, right? This goes right along with if someone were to break and enter your home. So you just gonna sit back and say, "Ok bud go ahead take what you want, but when you leave I'm gonna call the cops." I vote Lone Wolf style.

[Blue Jay]

Just out of curiosity..what would you do if you caught these scum burning your house while your family slept Sgt. Rock, Lone Wolf, Baltimore Jack, Old Fhart, Walkinhome, Blue Jay, etc, ?

I have not posted on this thread or topic, so leave me out of it. You can't even write a proper sentence. It sounds clearly like you are calling this list of people scum. I know your not, but anyone who did not know you are illiterate would think that you did. Who ever gave you a BA needs to be fired.

[orangebug]

Till it happens to you, right? This goes right along with if someone were to break and enter your home. So you just gonna sit back and say, "Ok bud go ahead take what you want, but when you leave I'm gonna call the cops." I vote Lone Wolf style.

No, I would sit back, be polite and not make threats. I hope I'd have the moxie to offer to write the idiot a check. And yep, I'd call the police after he left. And I'd be pissed off.

The safety of my family and myself trumps the accumulation of stuff.

[Lone Wolf]

Oh brother.

[Bloodroot]

No, I would sit back, be polite and not make threats. I hope I'd have the moxie to offer to write the idiot a check. And yep, I'd call the police after he left. And I'd be pissed off.

The safety of my family and myself trumps the accumulation of stuff.

Sure, I agree, family safety is priority number one. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna sit back and make the intruders a cup of coffee. I also agree, I would call the police (just around the same time I am pulling out the intruders finger nails with vice grips).

[Bloodroot]

I guess it all falls back to passive and submissive personalities.

[Israel]

terrorism.

How easily this word gets tossed around these days. How painful it is.

I'm with the Sierra Club on this one, but those people aren't "terrorists". They are misguided people fighting a good fight but the wrong way. I mean, all they needed was some carob sugar....

Wookie,
I guess the same could be said by those that are/were sympathetic with the arab pilots of the plans on 9/11...they were fighting their good fight, just a little misguided.
The firebombers are certainly on a different scale, they are more like amatures, but their acts, their intentions, their methods, are really the same.

It was said perfectly by someone above that stated the problem with people that do this is they typically, and I know I am somewhat stereotyping, contribute very little to their community. They are soley reactive and that is no way to live. They need to be proactive.

If the homes are selling for around $450,000 each and their are 40 on 10 acres that would put the raw land sales price somewhere in the ballpark of $260,000 per acre, or $2.6 million for the 10 acres. Why didn't the sierra club buy it?

We will never end development and you will never end new home construction. The answer is to make sure development is done in the right way. Get involved with land planning in your local community and encourage your community to develop using the new urbanism concepts. It works.

[Israel]

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/12/07/hom...yed/index.html

Who knows, maybe it was just some stupid teenagers? Either way, seems stupid if it was done to stop building...the streets are already in place.

[SGT Rock]

Just out of curiosity..what would you do if you caught these scum burning your house while your family slept Sgt. Rock, Lone Wolf, Baltimore Jack, Old Fhart, Walkinhome, Blue Jay, etc, ?

I'd probably shoot the guy.

[Goon]

What would I do if someone came to my house in the middle of the night? Unfortunately, I can answer that because I had a home invasion.

I own 15 acres here in Dawson County, GA with a house right in the middle. Very private, great views, lots of critters in the woods.

About 6 months after moving in I awoke around 5am... I don't remember hearing anything, but I just bolted straight up out of bed. Then I heard someone running down the hall upstairs next to my bedroom. (I'm not married, no kids, so noone else should've been there.)

Fortunately they ran out of the house rather than be confrontational so I didn't have to use that .357 I had in my hand.

I never actually saw the guy or guys. The police never caught them that I know of. They broke into the house through the garage so they knew I was home... the car was right there. They didn't care. Scary. It could've turned out very differently.

Next day I finally got around to having that alarm put in.

[Toolshed]

Hear Hear. I'm with Sgt Rock and L Wolf on this one.
These are terrorists. It could have been murder of a family.
Those who stand by this as a rational act against development need to take a closer look at themselves in their mirror and wonder at the empty shell that is staring back at them.

[weary]

I don't applaud punks. Vigilantes who believe the ends justifies the means (homicide or arson in this case) deserve consequences, including the criminal justice system when appropriate. Loud mouthed punks deserve the back of my cyber-hand. We have a few on both sides of this crime.

I agree that it's terrible when people violate the established laws of the land. Sadly, it's a tradition that goes back to the earliest days of this nation. Remember that guy who snuck across a river at Christmas time and shot up the representatives of what was then the only established government. We later even elected the leader to public office and continue to applaud his sneak attack. I'm afraid we will always have to deal with these vigilantes, at least until we can learn to recognize and condemn our long history of lawless acts.

We need to reform more than ourselves. The world also needs a new respect for law and order. Historians seem agreed, for instance, the bloody world war I was started when Austria-Hungary attacked Serbia on the unproven belief that Serbia had fostered an act of terrorism.

There are later examples of such punk actions, but this is a hiking forum and you'll have to do further research yourselves.

Weary

[smokymtnsteve]

maybe those who live in mcmansion land should take a look back at thier footprints..as Abbey would say..tramp..tramp..tramp...

these types of incidents are happening with increasing regularity,,we have had some serial "arson" here around atlanta...with an increasing divide between classses here in the USA and around the world we will continue to see more incidents such as this,

it's all really awful...but I have to admit that I smile everytime I hear of a hummer dealership suffering.

PLEASE STAND FOR THE GOSPEL OF ABBEY!

"Remaining silent about the destruction of nature is an endorsement of that destruction."

THANKS BE TO ABBEY!