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    I think this chart puts the "radiation poisoning" scare into perspective.
    http://xkcd.com/radiation/

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    Quote Originally Posted by jainsworth123 View Post
    I think this chart puts the "radiation poisoning" scare into perspective.
    http://xkcd.com/radiation/
    You didn't quote the source of your information. Hopefully it came from YouTube or Wikipedia. Those are now at the top of my list of credible sources.

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    Thanks for the update Styn. NC Dept. of Environment and Nat. Resources is monitoring radiation levels throughout NC. That's air, water, vegetation, even milk produced there (from cows, know where some of your minds are heading). To date no levels detected that would cause a public health alert. Readings in this video could be from the rocks the device is sitting on, as well as the position it is placed in. Calibration of the device would need to be known. Hike on brave souls!!

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    From everything I've read, honestly, I'm not worried at this point.

    My thinking is that I really only have two choices: get out there and take whatever chance it is I'm taking, or stay home. I'm not staying home. So I'm not going to worry about it; it won't help anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stvn View Post
    Mushroom cloud explosion of fukushima not shown in the US media
    http://www.youtube.com/user/PoliticalSeer#p/u/17/lkminzU20U0
    That's the Ichihara Oil Refinery. Do a search for it, you'll find tons of footage of that exact explosion on CNN.

    For future reference: 'Mushroom clouds' are a result of air pressure and temperature, they don't indicate a 'nuke explosion' as the link claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    That's the Ichihara Oil Refinery. Do a search for it, you'll find tons of footage of that exact explosion on CNN.

    For future reference: 'Mushroom clouds' are a result of air pressure and temperature, they don't indicate a 'nuke explosion' as the link claims.
    The real inconvenient truth is that facts are not necessary for some to convince others to support their agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jainsworth123 View Post
    I think this chart puts the "radiation poisoning" scare into perspective.
    http://xkcd.com/radiation/
    Drat, you beat me to posting that!

    The comparison of the radiation given off by a coal powerplant vs. A properly functioning reactor is particularly interesting.
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    Label me uninformed, ignorant, and indifferent but until I see a greater POTENTIAL risk I'm still planning and pursuing long distance hikes, maybe not in Japan though!

    Let's say, radiation risks from the crippled nuclear power plants in Japan, OR FOR THAT MATTER FROM THE SUN, CELL PHONES, NATURALLY OCURRING ORE VEINS, AMERICAN NUCLEAR FACILITIES/ACTIVITIES, ETC DO POSE UNACCEPTABLELY HIGH RISKS, WHICH I"M NOT YET CONVINCED THAT THEY DO OR WILL, what do you suggest we be doing? what pecautions do you think we should be taking? as hikers?

    I'm not a meterologists, but as Dapper Dan suggests, and I think he's correct, doesn't the jet stream travel eastward from Japan making the Hawaiian Islands the first U.S. lands to experience these POTENTIAL radiation risks?

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    Those that fly in an aitrplane often, spend much time in a cinder block/stone shelter/ cellar, under go extensive medical procedures? collectively from several radioactive sources?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor View Post
    For future reference: 'Mushroom clouds' are a result of air pressure and temperature, they don't indicate a 'nuke explosion' as the link claims.
    Bravo, Bravo!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nufsaid View Post
    You didn't quote the source of your information. Hopefully it came from YouTube or Wikipedia. Those are now at the top of my list of credible sources.
    Did you happen to take a look at it?
    Chart designed my Randall Monroe with help form Ellen, Senior Reactor Operator at the Reed research Reactor
    Not to mention the 11 other sources that are listed just above that. Granted, one of those is a wiki link (the definition of a Sievert), but the rest are .gov or .edu listing, which you could go dig through if you feel so inclined.

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    I was a nuclear engineer in the 80s. After Chernobyl blew up, I was asked to calculate the size of that reactor core based on readings in Sweden; the Soviets weren't telling, state secret and all that. So I was off by 1%. Big deal.

    My advice: go hike your hike. And wear your sunscreen, because you should be more worried about the big yellow ball, particularly this year.

    Is it bad news on those six reactors? Yes, for the Japanese and anyone else that fishes in those waters. All that seawater they've been pumping into the cores to keep them from melting? Went right back out to sea, although they now say they're diverting the water to holding tanks. Which tanks, exactly? Why do you think the reactors were located on the coast? So, if you like tuna with your Ramen (need to check on the source for that), you should buy some now, before the price goes way up.

    And start getting your news from newspapers. Anyone can post anything to youtube (where did we get justin bieber?), and they do. A published writer puts his/her reputation and livelihood on the line, with every line. It takes more work to get the facts straight. That's why they get paid to do it. And the ones that stay in business make the fewest errors.

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    We are all going to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobqzzi View Post
    We are all going to die.
    Eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket Jones View Post
    Eventually.
    Yep. Don't know exactly when (even those on Death Row), and only a minority know how...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocket Jones View Post
    Eventually.
    Yes, goes without saying

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    Unless it comes from Gov't or other "persons-in-the-know" I 'm not heeding your stories...we're all adults here and can read and comprehend on our own w/o ones like you "babysitting" us...
    Do one thing everyday...that makes you happy...

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    Ironically, this could be a good thing for the dolphins off Japan. They will likely suffer birth defects and higher mortality rates due to cancer and such, but we will most likely stop overfishing them for quite some time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAK View Post
    Ironically, this could be a good thing for the dolphins off Japan. They will likely suffer birth defects and higher mortality rates due to cancer and such, but we will most likely stop overfishing them for quite some time.

    That's likely true of several other species, as well...

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    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/22/wo...a/22plume.html (NY Times 3-21-2011)

    “Health experts said that the plume’s radiation had been diluted enormously in its journey of thousands of miles and that — at least for now, with concentrations so low — its presence will have no health consequences in the United States. In a similar way, faint radiation from the Chernobyl disaster spread around the globe and reached the West Coast in 10 days, its levels detectable but minuscule.

    Atomic and atmospheric specialists expect that, in time, the extremely diffuse Japanese plume will spread so that it extends over most of the planet’s northern regions.

    The global network of the Comprehensive Test Ban Treaty Organization, an arm of the United Nations in Vienna, has detected the movements of the plume. The organization’s mandate is to monitor the global ban on the testing of nuclear arms, and it has more than 60 stations that sniff the air for radiation spikes.

    The group has declined to make the recent findings public, but it shares its information with 120 member states, some of which have divulged the status of the plume’s movements.

    On Friday, European officials said that network sensors in Sacramento had detected the radioactive plume, picking up traces of iodine 131 and cesium 137 — highly dangerous byproducts of reactor operation that in large amounts can cause cancer. The measured levels were judged to be many millions of times lower than concentrations that would pose a danger to human health.

    Late Friday, the Department of Energy confirmed the European statements about the arrival of the radioactive plume in the continental United States, saying its “minuscule quantities” of radiation posed no health hazard.

    On Monday, European officials said the plume had reached the East Coast after drifting over North America. One station that detected the fresh radioactivity is in Charlottesville, Va., officials said.”
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    If you check, Iodine-131 has a half-life of just over 8 days so the readings of this radioactive isotope will drop off fairly rapidly. Some of the YouTube "reliable sources" used by the OP failed (as others mentioned) to establish a baseline so the data is totally meaningless. Nuclear power plants are monitored continually both by the power companies and independently so these monitors have historical baseline information to use as comparison and they can barely detect the added radiation from Japan.

    I may not be a nuclear scientist but I stayed at a Holiday Inn and I'm not worried.

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