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    Quote Originally Posted by minnesotasmith
    I figure on buying a synthetic bag rather than a down one, given my impression that it's hard to go out on the AT for more than a weekend and not get your stuff wet. As I understand it, down holds more water (gains more weight) from getting wet than synthetic does, not to mention down losing more insulating ability while wet. So, if price isn't much of an issue (and, for me it really isn't anymore), it would seem that synthetic would be the better way to go for me on the AT. Now, the PCT and CDT both might be a totally different kettle of fish due to lesser rainfall, but I wouldn't consider doing either one of those for at least 2 years after my AT through-hike, so I don't figure on worrying about that for my upcoming bag purchase.
    A wet sleeping bag is an over-feared problem. Seam seal your tent, carry your bag in a waterproof stuffsack and don't worry a lot. My down bag actually handles minor damp better than my synthetic does. It "spreads it around."

    Plus, most modern bags have a DWR cover. My down bag does, my synthetic does not. My synthetic gets soaked easily!

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    Default Well, franklooper, on down vs. synthetic sleeping bags...

    Since you've used both, perhaps you have an opinion on this issue of choosing between them: which material (when used in a sleeping bag) loses less insulating ability when washed (or just gets seriously wet out on the Trail)?

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    Hmmm, poor out-of-it me, I'd been dimly wondering why so many TNF logos everywhere, everyone with the michelin-man look even in mild temps. So now I know. Re the plug for Mt Hardware, I believe that's true, also Integral Designs seems to play to the user market. Likewise Montbell, always noting the extreme light weight of their stuff. Honestly, I HATE being a gearhead, and HATE it when "fashion" intrudes - Thoreau had it right when he said"beware of enterprises requiring new clothes." but all that said, losing a few pounds of pack weight by going to new trick light stuff is indeed nice. Hope we all can thread our way through this dilemma.

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    I'm wearing a pair of TNF trail runners right now. They aren't the best shoes on the market, but for $39 what do you expect. If I can milk 500 miles out of them then I've gotten more than my moneys worth.

    P.S. I can't wait to see L.Wolf at Trail Days sportin' mad bling and tossin signs like a blue blood hobo thug from way back!
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    I picture him looking like wrestling star Capt. Lou Albano
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    Speaking of TNF, I just saw a new Chevrolet Avalanche today that was a "TNF Edition"...... had TNF on an emblem on the side of the truck and the seats had the name on them....what's next..LOL

    Chris Utley

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    Quote Originally Posted by utley
    Speaking of TNF, I just saw a new Chevrolet Avalanche today that was a "TNF Edition"...... had TNF on an emblem on the side of the truck and the seats had the name on them....what's next..LOL

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    The next fad we will see is people walking the streets with Low Gaiters. I have already started to see the Crocs make a big statement around the Knoxville area.
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    Quote Originally Posted by utley
    ...had TNF on an emblem on the side of the truck and the seats had the name on them....what's next..LOL
    Jeeps with Wrangler logos?

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    Thumbs down false

    I hate the burst the bubble here, but there is NO Chevrolet Avalanche "TNF Edition". Unless Chevy is slow at updating their website to show the NEW Avalanche "TNF Editon" then that above statement just isn't true. Nice try though. http://www.chevrolet.com/avalanche/

    I can hera the reply's now.... "I was only kidding" ..... "It was a custom truck blah blah blah" ..... Just admit that you faked the entry and in doing so fooled several here.

    Funny either way.
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    These cappachino sipping yuppies with their squeeky clean TNF jackets and SUVs wouldn't last one day on the trail. They'd make Dimwitte look downright smart.

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    Lightbulb oops

    even smarter if they spelled it dimwit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew
    I hate the burst the bubble here, but there is NO Chevrolet Avalanche "TNF Edition". Unless Chevy is slow at updating their website to show the NEW Avalanche "TNF Editon" then that above statement just isn't true. Nice try though. http://www.chevrolet.com/avalanche/

    I can hera the reply's now.... "I was only kidding" ..... "It was a custom truck blah blah blah" ..... Just admit that you faked the entry and in doing so fooled several here.

    Funny either way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Dew
    I hate the burst the bubble here, but there is NO Chevrolet Avalanche "TNF Edition". Unless Chevy is slow at updating their website to show the NEW Avalanche "TNF Editon" then that above statement just isn't true. Nice try though. http://www.chevrolet.com/avalanche/

    I can hera the reply's now.... "I was only kidding" ..... "It was a custom truck blah blah blah" ..... Just admit that you faked the entry and in doing so fooled several here.

    Funny either way.
    There is a TRAILBLAZER NF

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    Looks like you may have jumped the gun there Dew.

    TNF Edition Avalanche

    From the end of the third paragraph:
    The newest Avalanche, the North Face edition, features the Autotrac 4x4 transfer case, on-/off-road tires, skid plates, locking rear differential, specially designed instrumentation, The North Face exterior badging, one-year OnStar Safe & Sound Plan, two water-resistant Water Duffalo Bags and two Summit Pod Daypacks. Put simply, the 2004 2005 Chevrolet Avalanche is neither an average SUV nor an average truck.

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    Here are some pictures of the TNF edition Avalanche. The only evidence of the TNF logo I could find was on the seats (last picture on the page).

    And just so nobody gets the wrong idea about me I'll add that I still think the Avalanche is an ugly plastic-looking truck. I'm a Ford man myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Percival
    These cappachino sipping yuppies with their squeeky clean TNF jackets and SUVs wouldn't last one day on the trail. They'd make Dimwitte look downright smart.
    That response may be the top ranked dumb reply in the history of the internet. So exactly what is so fantastically challenging about 1 day on the trail that would lend any veracity to your statement? How macho does an AT hike make you compared to say climbing K2? Does the ability to earn more than minimum wage and residing in an urban area exclude one from backpacking?
    Incidentally, I enjoy a cappuccino when properly made and my clothes are frequently squeaky clean on the trail, I own a SUV that goes off-road, and I have a few TNF items.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho
    There is a TRAILBLAZER NF
    The North Face edition, huh. I can see it right now. Hiking and backpacking breaks into the mainstream of American recreation, and chat forums spring up all over the net discussing the best "off road" SUV for the next thru-hike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minnesotasmith
    Since you've used both, perhaps you have an opinion on this issue of choosing between them: which material (when used in a sleeping bag) loses less insulating ability when washed (or just gets seriously wet out on the Trail)?
    When they get seriously wet, neither one will keep you warm. I believe that it is a myth that synthetics will keep you somehwat warm when soaked. That must be someone elses bag.

    When gently washed and dried with a tennis shoe or three tennis balls, a down bag returns to new condition. Use woolite or a bag wash soap and hand wash. Use perma-press/low heat in the dryer. You don't have to be very careful with a synthetic bag, but don't overdry it or you'll lose some of the loft due to a near-melt. (not the technical term, but the fibers have a memory, and start shrinking back to their original state.)

    Over a period of years, very few with a cheap bag, synthetic bags lose their loft and insulative properties. A good down bag can last a lifetime.

    If I haven't answered your question, try again. I'm a bit thick.


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    I picture him looking like wrestling star Capt. Lou Albano
    He won't look like you expect. Regular guy. Nice guy. Really nice.

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