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    Quote Originally Posted by Odd Man Out View Post
    I was checking out the Wise Company web site from the OP. These meals come in mylar zip pouches for what is essentially freezer bag cooking. A typical "serving" has 240 calories and 1000 mg of sodium (2 to 4 servings per pouch). There are 8 different entrees, 2 soups, and 3 breakfast items.

    I crunched some numbers. Let's assume he needs 4000 calories per day. If he buys they 1440 serving variety pack, that will give him 240 lbs of food with a total of 351600 Calories. Figuring on 3000 Calories per day, this is 117 days of food, or just short of 4 months. As he won't be staying in town, he should be able to keep up this brisk pace. To get his 3000 Cal, he will need to eat about 12 servings or 2.05 lbs food per day. The cost for this is $2450 plus $175 shipping (to NJ). Let's assume he does about 1 mail drop per week (17 total) and each package costs $14 to mail. That's a total cost of $2863 which come out to $24.43/day or $11.93/pound for food.

    HYOH

    P.S. - By the way, the phrase "biodegradable soap" is redundant as all soap is biodegradable.
    You did all that to prove me dumb? Sweet! Since you mentioned it, I was figuring 2 servings per meal, one meal for breakfast, one for dinner, making 4 servings a day. Then lunch and snacks would be picked up in local shops along the way. I was just trying to save money in order to still make the trip. I apoligze that my way is not to your liking, or that bringing it up seemed to cause so much drama. I just didn't want my sudden lack of funds to stop me from taking the trip, and thought this would be the perfect place to ask. My mistake.

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    I think that there is a big difference in having $1500-$2000 set aside and having $10,000 set aside. I think that $20 for a meal and some snacks is a really low estimate. Most of the trail towns are more expensive and I think the meal, shower, and fuel, as I said previously, is probably going to cost you more like $40. Up North, it will probably be like $60. If you throw in some snacks, you are looking at $20-$25 more.

    And if it rains for 21 days out of 30 like it did recently, you may NEED to stay at a hostel just to dry your tent out so that it doesn't mildew.

    This may be a once in a lifetime trip. Do you really want to have to worry about every dollar or every meal? You are already planning on no hostels, I just think you should double your budget and realistically ENJOY your trip! As I said in the beginning, $2000 is not $10,000 and it can mean the difference between a great trip and one that is rather sparse.
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    HYOH means "Hike Your Own Hike"

    People on this forum want you to enjoy your hike, but every time someone offers a viewpoint that you don't want to hear you get snippy. You don't have to heed every bit of advice, but listening and thinking about how it might apply to your style without taking it personal could go a long way to helping you have a successful trip.

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    Offerng a viewpoint is one thing, but ths is what I got...

    Unless you're at total introvert,
    Come on, this question was really just an excuse for you to be able to write about how awesomely self-sufficient and pure your hike will be.

    Go try to replicate Andrew's Yukon Hike. Oh wait, there wouldn't be any pack mules or partiers to feel superior to.

    What a tool.
    I was thinking it, but didn't want to say it. The post is 95% "blah blah blah I've got this stuff figured out" followed by a token question that he should already know the answer to if he's been reading about budgets. It's essentially goading people into expressing doubt at his hardiness or applauding the extent of his forethought or both at the same time. Either way, it's not structured toward a discussion that's going to help the other 99% of people who don't plan on thru-hiking that way.
    looks like 99.9% of the hikers are wrong. hope your way works.
    The scene: Hot Springs, NC. A sweltering afternoon in early May. A lone, weary hiker cuts a pathetic profile trudging out of the woods past the verdant front lawns on the west side of town. An grand old house with a HIKERS WELCOME sign beckons him from a distance. "F--k me," the man mutters to himself in a thick New Jersey brogue. "I'm already down to 10 bucks and it's gotta last til next Sunday." That furtive and gloriously unplanned Oreo bubble-bath binge in the motel in Gatlinburg had really sent his finances in the wrong direction. Down the garden path. Down a .3-mile steep blue-blaze ending at a dry spring covered in bear scat. Oh well. He would have to bypass the vulgar luxury of town yet again. Practice for the next 1900 miles, he assured himself.

    If only I had a good hiking friend, he reflects. One who was as hardy and tough and all-around badass as me. But alas, there had been that blow-up at Standing Bear when his best buddy had made the polite suggestion that they splurge on a few otter pops. Really, how could that guy have had the gumption? I thought we had shared a common ethic! Of Spartan ruggedness, of the most pure asceticism! And then there was the charming hiker-chick in Franklin who had been getting on well with him, until she joked that his trail name might be a little arcane for the masses. Boy, had he blown his lid then. He sort of regretted it.

    But he knows that ship has sailed--and, what's more, he still has to find a spigot and a low-hanging branch for the setup of his Dromedary shower system--a particularly ingenious design, he commends himself once again. As he scans the few buildings in his vicinity, his eyes descry a most arresting scene, off in the distance through the stagnant spring air. A band of happy hikers, sitting in front of their Alpine Court Motel double, a few beers in their hands, TV flickering in the dark background of their room, clothes laid out to dry on the pavement, smiles ... yes, smiles and laughter spread all over their faces. A debate rages in the lone hiker's head, but it's about as one-sided as the elections in his hometown always turned out to be. On the one side is the belief, severely crippled by a few short weeks of experience, that all these weaklings, these libertines surrounding him--and what's more, those loathsome Mongoloids on WhiteBlaze--are truly a lower form of humanity whose company must be eschewed entirely. On the other side is the suspicion, which started as a whisper in Hiawassee and has strengthened now to a deafening roar--that maybe, maybe all those people have a point.

    He saunters almost apologetically to the merry band in front of the motel. "How you doin'?" he asks, eyes downcast. "Mind sharin' one of those beeahs with me?"

    "This one's all yours!" a friendly tanned and bearded face responds. "Cheers!"

    And with that, Saprogenic's thru-hike truly began. The end.
    Shall I continue?

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    Since you're resupplying exclusively through maildrops and not staying in any hostels or motels, be mindful of the point FlemDawg made previously: if you reach a town about 1 PM on a Saturday, you'll have to wait until Monday morning until the PO opens. If you're out of food at that point, you'll have to spend something in town at least for meals. Or to avoid that, always carry an extra day or 2 worth of food.

    And of course you'll have to get back on the trail, find a place to camp Sat. & Sun. nights, return to town for all your meals which strikes me as a hassle.

    So you may want to consider sending your maildrops to those hostels who accept them for non-staying guests in which case you'll pay them a fee to hold your package but it's better than hanging around 2 extra nights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cookerhiker View Post
    Since you're resupplying exclusively through maildrops and not staying in any hostels or motels, be mindful of the point FlemDawg made previously: if you reach a town about 1 PM on a Saturday, you'll have to wait until Monday morning until the PO opens. If you're out of food at that point, you'll have to spend something in town at least for meals. Or to avoid that, always carry an extra day or 2 worth of food.

    And of course you'll have to get back on the trail, find a place to camp Sat. & Sun. nights, return to town for all your meals which strikes me as a hassle.

    So you may want to consider sending your maildrops to those hostels who accept them for non-staying guests in which case you'll pay them a fee to hold your package but it's better than hanging around 2 extra nights.
    Good suggestion! Especially since they are going to be cutting the hrs of the small post offices soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saprogenic View Post
    You did all that to prove me dumb? Sweet! Since you mentioned it, I was figuring 2 servings per meal, one meal for breakfast, one for dinner, making 4 servings a day. Then lunch and snacks would be picked up in local shops along the way. I was just trying to save money in order to still make the trip. I apoligze that my way is not to your liking, or that bringing it up seemed to cause so much drama. I just didn't want my sudden lack of funds to stop me from taking the trip, and thought this would be the perfect place to ask. My mistake.
    I did this so that all people could make informed decisions and then suggested that everyone should hike their own hike. I have never (that I can recall) on this or any forum been anything but polite and professional (not counting an occasional poor attempt at humor).

    Happy Trails

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    My experience is no matter how you planned to hike your hike it will change almost everyday. Go to AWOL web page and he has a list of all the PO hours. It will be helpful to know if you have to pick up your pace to get there before it closes. I called for a shuttle into Franklin and it cost me $20.00 I have not stayed in a hostel yet. I have met hikers that have had mail drops as you are going to do and I have met hikers who have resupplied in town. If you are disciplined with your money, hike etc you will be fine. you will learn as you go what will fit you best. Just don't mail all your food before you leave. i would also leave the solar charger at home you are not likely to see the sun. Also some places that you think you will call for a shuttle will have no service. Its best to call from on top of mountain then wait till you get in the gap. Verizon works the best. Hike your own hike. The trail will tell you how you are doing. Keep posting on how the mail drops worked out for you.

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    Saprogenic; double your budget i am in Hanover N.H doing a Thru and take every body's advice to heart when you cross the Maryland line every thing and i really do mean every thing doubles in price you need to figure between 2.50-3.00 a mile and that's no joke. RED-DOG ( Flip-Flop 96 GA-ME 06 and again in 2012 ) good luck to you and happy trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odd Man Out View Post
    I did this so that all people could make informed decisions and then suggested that everyone should hike their own hike. I have never (that I can recall) on this or any forum been anything but polite and professional (not counting an occasional poor attempt at humor).

    Happy Trails
    Yes I am new here and yes I have spent copious amounts of time here in researching my 2012 SOBO thru hike way... before I became a member and if I may say; Odd Man Out is that pure gentlemen you rarely come across so inclosing; burning that bridge would be a big mistake as we live in a small world where help when needed is so hard to come by!

    Live a life filled with good Karma by practicing great Karma.

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    medical supplies & vitamins

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    Saprogenic,

    There are a great number of tools that seem to know everything here. Of 38,000+ members in WhiteBlaze, they are the vocal minority. It’s a shame online “know-it-alls” dominate here as it keeps a great many good folks quiet and lurking, afraid to participate. I know many who won’t post here, and some who’ve left altogether because of some of the vocal minority’s behavior similar to what you’ve experienced in this thread.

    Regarding your original post, and to answer your initial question, I attached what I’ve come up with so far:

    Quote Originally Posted by Saprogenic View Post
    ...what should I really need to budget for?
    List of What MAY Cost $$$ DURING a Thru-hike:
    (A work-in-progress)

    ATM Charges
    Batteries
    Clothing (new)
    Clothing repairs
    Emergencies (health, family/friend, etc.)
    First aide supplies (sun screen, mole skin, anti-septic, etc...)
    Food
    Fuel
    Gear (new or replacement)
    Gear repairs
    Hygiene items (soap, toothpaste, toilet paper, etc.)
    Laundry services / supplies
    Lodging (hotels, hostels, campsites, cabins, shelters, lean-tos / permits)
    Mail drops (receiving) incoming supplies/food
    Mailing bounce boxes, supplies home, postcards, gifts, etc...
    Maps
    Phone card / cell phone charges
    Restaurants
    Showers
    Shuttles
    Town entertainment (movie, alcohol, etc.)

    (Anyone with additions, please do share!)

    Hike on!
    ~ Mark
    Last edited by Winds; 06-01-2012 at 14:48.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winds View Post
    Saprogenic,

    There are a great number of tools that seem to know everything here. Of 38,000+ members in WhiteBlaze, they are the vocal minority. It’s a shame online “know-it-alls” dominate here as it keeps a great many good folks quiet and lurking, afraid to participate. I know many who won’t post here, and some who’ve left altogether because of some of the vocal minority’s behavior similar to what you’ve experienced in this thread.

    Regarding your original post, and to answer your initial question, I attached what I’ve come up with so far:



    List of What MAY Cost $$$ DURING a Thru-hike:
    (A work-in-progress)

    ATM Charges
    Batteries
    Clothing (new)
    Clothing repairs
    Emergencies (health, family/friend, etc.)
    First aide supplies (sun screen, mole skin, anti-septic, etc...)
    Food
    Fuel
    Gear (new or replacement)
    Gear repairs
    Hygiene items (soap, toothpaste, toilet paper, etc.)
    Laundry services / supplies
    Lodging (hotels, hostels, campsites, cabins, shelters, lean-tos / permits)
    Mail drops (receiving) incoming supplies/food
    Mailing bounce boxes, supplies home, postcards, gifts, etc...
    Maps
    Phone card / cell phone charges
    Restaurants
    Showers
    Shuttles
    Town entertainment (movie, alcohol, etc.)

    (Anyone with additions, please do share!)

    Hike on!
    ~ Mark
    I agree with this post so much. WB can be brutal. And it makes me really ashamed that several weeks ago, I called another hiker - a first-timer, "Mr. Moocher." I should have been able to convey my views without any name calling. So here and now, I am officially apologizing to him.

    I thought everyone was kind of hard of Saprogenic as well. I don't know if Chris is a he or she, but I sent a PM to kind of say, "hang in there" - but who knows if they are still on WB or not.

    I really think a $400 estimate is much too low, but you can only say so much. I like what Winds wrote. I think another category should be WEATHER. There are many times that you need to dry out your gear or if there is a weather emergency, this may cause a hiker to HAVE to stay in a hostel.

    Also, I don't think that Odd Man Out was trying "to prove you dumb." I think he was simply trying to rationally back up what he was stating.
    Last edited by WIAPilot; 06-01-2012 at 15:35.

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    Good list

    Quote Originally Posted by Winds View Post
    Saprogenic,

    There are a great number of tools that seem to know everything here. Of 38,000+ members in WhiteBlaze, they are the vocal minority. It’s a shame online “know-it-alls” dominate here as it keeps a great many good folks quiet and lurking, afraid to participate. I know many who won’t post here, and some who’ve left altogether because of some of the vocal minority’s behavior similar to what you’ve experienced in this thread.
    ...Mark
    For sure WB has a fair number of pack-sniffing, cyber-hiking trolls and I don't doubt that some members have left or don't participate because of this phenomenon. But I think most of the WBers responding to this thread are experienced hikers and/or offer knowlegable, well-meaning good-faith advice. I didn't say "all" but "most."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winds View Post
    Saprogenic,

    There are a great number of tools that seem to know everything here. Of 38,000+ members in WhiteBlaze, they are the vocal minority. It’s a shame online “know-it-alls” dominate here as it keeps a great many good folks quiet and lurking, afraid to participate. I know many who won’t post here, and some who’ve left altogether because of some of the vocal minority’s behavior similar to what you’ve experienced in this thread.

    Regarding your original post, and to answer your initial question, I attached what I’ve come up with so far:



    List of What MAY Cost $$$ DURING a Thru-hike:
    (A work-in-progress)

    ATM Charges
    Batteries
    Clothing (new)
    Clothing repairs
    Emergencies (health, family/friend, etc.)
    First aide supplies (sun screen, mole skin, anti-septic, etc...)
    Food
    Fuel
    Gear (new or replacement)
    Gear repairs
    Hygiene items (soap, toothpaste, toilet paper, etc.)
    Laundry services / supplies
    Lodging (hotels, hostels, campsites, cabins, shelters, lean-tos / permits)
    Mail drops (receiving) incoming supplies/food
    Mailing bounce boxes, supplies home, postcards, gifts, etc...
    Maps
    Phone card / cell phone charges
    Restaurants
    Showers
    Shuttles
    Town entertainment (movie, alcohol, etc.)

    (Anyone with additions, please do share!)

    Hike on!
    ~ Mark


    Yeah - I agree with pretty much everything written here.

    People are much friendlier in person - it's easy to be rude and sassy on the internet - sometimes people do it without even meaning to do it.

    To the OP - The reason people reacted the way they did is because about a 1/2 dozen people get on here every year saying and asking the same thing - what most responders have learned is that the posters don't like to hear responses that don't fit their preconceived notions.

    Here it goes – you can do what ever you want. And theoretically you could hike the trail for free if you wanted to – a guy just traveled from Germany to Antarctica without a penny in his pocket to begin with - http://www.nzherald.co.nz/travel/new...ectid=10807623

    But – and here it is – most people don’t do it that way regardless of what they think and plan for.

    The AT is not a wilderness experience – it is just as much a social experience as it is anything else.

    There are lots and lots of opportunities to spend money - more than you can imagine.

    Most people can’t or do not want to miss out on that part.

    That is what people are trying to tell you



    Only you know what kind of person you are

    If you have cable, a phone, a car and perhaps indulge in the normal trappings of a civilized life, you most likely will not be living the live of an Ascetic.

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    live of an ascetic...on the trail!

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    Kathy, hostels and emergencies are listed.

    What I added though is:
    Insect Products (Premethrin, Picaridin, DEET, etc)
    as that needs it's own line item for understanding I think.

    Anything else I am missing folks?
    Thanks!

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    I've never tried the Wise brand but have heard it is very good.
    It will most certainly cost more than buying at stores along the way.
    Mail drops are a PIA.
    Your choices of food might change during your hike.
    A few mail drops make sense since there are some towns where getting to a store is a challenge.

    Enjoy your hike.
    "Chainsaw" GA-ME 2011

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