Need better warnings re: Blood Mountain bear situation

[joshuasdad]

Section hiked Neels Gap to Woody Gap SOBO on Sunday. I saw plenty of signs saying what was closed to camping without a bear canister -- the 5 miles of trail from Jerrard Gap to Neels Gap. What I did not see is an explanation of that particular trail section, that is, the most difficult 5 mile stretch of trail to date for a NOBO thru-hiker. Furthermore, the only official place to camp prior to the bear area is Lance Creek, a couple of miles before the bear area. While 7-8 miles does not seem very long, I talked to a number of thrus this weekend that were averaging no more than 6 miles per day.

A lot more information should be given, as early as possible, so that the thrus can plan accordingly. Detailed water situation, trail difficulty (long sustained uphill followed by steep rocky downhill), last chance to camp without canister, at the very least.

Ideally though, the thrus should have a way to camp on Blood Mountain. Maybe someone can put in a bear box, or provide loaner (or rental) bear canisters? Trail magic at Jerrard Gap?

BTW: Trail was in great shape from Unicoi Gap to Woody Gap.

[daddytwosticks]

Where's the popcorn. This will be interesting...

[rocketsocks]

Where's the popcorn. This will be interesting...

For breakfast...indeed.Grits

[Lone Wolf]

what's a thru?

[rocketsocks]

what's a thru?

I believe the term was "Thrus"a thrus is a small little bird that is indigenous to Iceland,Tecivte to be exact.Or perhaps it's a plural for of get the heck out of our way,were hiking to Katadin.........maybe.

[John B]

So exactly what trail guide are you using?

[joshuasdad]

So exactly what trail guide are you using?

Is there a tougher part of the trail NOBO from Springer to Neels? I sure did not see it. After Neels, sure, there are more difficult parts. Tray Mtn. looks pretty tough on paper for the uninitiated (and probably a very appreciated place for trail magic). Blue Mountain is a long slog as well NOBO. Regardless, all of it seems pretty easy compared to what awaits them up north (Priest, Three Ridges, Killington Peak, Smokies, NH/ME, etc.)

[yellowsirocco]

Is there a tougher part of the trail NOBO from Springer to Neels? I sure did not see it. After Neels, sure, there are more difficult parts. Tray Mtn. looks pretty tough on paper for the uninitiated (and probably a very appreciated place for trail magic). Blue Mountain is a long slog as well NOBO. Regardless, all of it seems pretty easy compared to what awaits them up north (Priest, Three Ridges, Killington Peak, Smokies, NH/ME, etc.)

I don't think Blood is really that bad. I would take it any day over the stretch from Hawk to Gooch, those PUDS just suck it out of me. Blood just looks big on a map, but in reality it is very manageable with a NOBO ascent.

I guess if you are carrying a 70 pound pack that has been beating you up for several days then Blood probably looks like the devil incarnate, but if you are in that situation then every step is misery anyway.

[Lone Wolf]

so these Thrus are special then?

[rocketsocks]

so these Three are special then?

No exactly,Lets just say...not that uncommon.

[SouthMark]

so these Thrus are special then?

I am fluent in sarcasm!

[rocketsocks]

I am fluent in sarcasm!

Elf doles it for free.Shame to throw away a perfectly good market.

[Wise Old Owl]

I am fluent in sarcasm!

Hees's from Northport .... Ignore him....

Less government!!!!

And him......

todays hikers don't know what real trail magic is. feeds ain't magic

OMG - the thread is out of control again captain... I cannot fix it.... where's scotty?

[Jack Tarlin]

Interesting thread. Note to the powers that be, i.e Federal, State, County, Local, regional Trail Club, ATC, Ridgrerunner, volunteer, etc: I just went out on a short night hike on Blood Mountain. It involved crossing the highway at Neel Gap and heading south on the A.T. There are several signs (evidently several years old) telling people about various campfire rules and regulations. As to anything telling people about potential bear problems, warning them of possible dangers or risks, or anything telling them about restricted areas, areas that require cannisters, etc......um, no, nothing whatsoever. So a quick comment to folks setting he new rules and planning to enforce these regulations: Um, you might wanna think about letting people know about these things BEFORE they set foot on the Trail, i.e. before they enter the affected area. Cuz in all truth, when it comes to informing the general public about these new rules and regualtions (never mind telling them about possible risk), the powers that be are doing a pretty piss-poor job. This is an across the board failure. I mean, get real, folks.....you set these new rules and threaten people with tickets, fines, etc.......but it doesn't occur to any of you to post signs/information at major trailheads informing people about these new stipulations? If the Forest Service is in charge of this information campaign, they're obviously asleep at the wheel. If it's ATC's job, the local Trail club's job, or the ridgerunner's job to keep people up on current info regarding this section of the Trail, where they're all asleep, too. In short, this is ridiculous. Anyone who does get ticketed or cited over this nonsense would be entirely in their rights to say "I had no idea these new rules and regulations were in effect." In short, this whole thing, and the people alledgedly in charge of supervising this circus.....well, it's pretty much a joke. Tomorrow, several dozen people will start up Blood Mt. completely unaware of these new rules and regualations......yet they'll be expected to conform to them. Ridiculous.

[rocketsocks]

He's from Northport .... Ignore him....




And him......



OMG - the thread is out of control again captain... I cannot fix it.... where'scotty?

Oh The Humanity.......

[rocketsocks]

Section hiked Neels Gap to Woody Gap SOBO on Sunday. I saw plenty of signs saying what was closed to camping without a bear canister -- the 5 miles of trail from Jerrard Gap to Neels Gap. What I did not see is an explanation of that particular trail section, that is, the most difficult 5 mile stretch of trail to date for a NOBO thru-hiker. Furthermore, the only official place to camp prior to the bear area is Lance Creek, a couple of miles before the bear area. While 7-8 miles does not seem very long, I talked to a number of through this weekend that were averaging no more than 6 miles per day.

A lot more information should be given, as early as possible, so that the trash can plan accordingly. Detailed water situation, trail difficulty (long sustained uphill followed by steep rocky downhill), last chance to camp without canister, at the very least.

Ideally though, the thrus should have a way to camp on Blood Mountain. Maybe someone can put in a bear box, or provide loaner (or rental) bear canisters? Trail magic at Jerrard Gap?

BTW: Trail was in great shape from Unicoi Gap to Woody Gap.

Much of the information your asking for can adequately be provided in the trail registers for hikers ,by hikers.kick it off

[Gray Blazer]

Trail magic at Jerrard Gap?

BTW: Trail was in great shape from Unicoi Gap to Woody Gap.

Last week there was trail Magic at Unicoi, Indian Grave and Tray Mnt. Gaps. Big Magic. No wonder thrus are well fed. We're talkin' 3 feeds in 5 miles.

[joshuasdad]

Last week there was trail Magic at Unicoi, Indian Grave and Tray Mnt. Gaps. Big Magic. No wonder thrus are well fed. We're talkin' 3 feeds in 5 miles.

I was thinking more information + water (for those who really need it) + possibly loaner bear canisters (to be dropped off at Walasi-Yi). FYI: Need to hike uphill 1 mile to get to Jerrard Gap, so not the best place for a feed (if there is any good place for that...).

[joshuasdad]

OK, sarcasm aside (and I DID expect it), there are a lot of NOBOs out there this season that are in way over their head. I saw a number of NOBOs near Jerrard Gap who were considering pushing to Neels Gap, which would be extending themselves considerably to do so. One (smartly) asked me about the water situation, even though it looked like they should stop then (I did see him the next day on a short AM hike SOBO from Hogpen Gap to Neels, so I guess I was wrong about him). Another was thinking that he could share a bear canister with someone if he could not make it to Neels (he had already hiked about 10 miles) -- I did not see him the next morning. I saw one exhausted European (German, probably) wearing what looked like 5 pound (each) army boots and carrying what looked to be a 70 pound pack heading up a not-so-steep hill at say, 0.4 miles per hour...you should get the picture.

It has been exceptionally easy on the trail in the past week (let alone, the past month), so it was no big deal for someone in over their head to just stop in place and camp when exhausted. If you are carrying 70 pounds prior to Neels Gap (and the pack shakedown), when you stop, you generally can do pretty well. But if you cannot stop because of an imposed condition AND it is 70+ degrees out there AND you didn't bring enough water AND you are not experienced at going downhill with a heavy pack AND you are doing your first 6+ mile day...that is a recipe for a number of zero-days at Neels (or the nearby hospital).

Just saying that if you are into that trail magic thing, this might be a place for it. Of course, you don't want to spoil the NOBOs too much, but this looked like a special situation. Or, the local trail club, ATC, etc. could sponsor a bear box. That's it.

[Trance]

I saw a number of NOBOs near Jerrard Gap who were considering pushing to Neels Gap, which would be extending themselves considerably to do so.

Is this a troll post? That's all of 5 miles from Jarrod up and over BM...... if you cant do that, consider early trail retirement.