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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishBASTARD View Post
    Yeah lying and speaking in third person...are compeletly differnt ATMilkman. Grow up and stick to said subject matters...this one is HOMELESS people on trail...not how big of an ass you are,
    Dang I never heard that one before, well, well, well, yer, yer, yer, a poo-poo head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by atmilkman View Post
    Dang I never heard that one before, well, well, well, yer, yer, yer, a poo-poo head.
    Is speaking in third person...and being a third personality the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishBASTARD View Post
    Yeah lying and speaking in third person...are compeletly differnt ATMilkman. Grow up and stick to said subject matters...this one is HOMELESS people on trail...not how big of an ass you are,
    Has it even been established that this person is indeed homeless and not just someone camping?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Water Rat View Post
    Has it even been established that this person is indeed homeless and not just someone camping?
    Of course not! It's the same old BS about the unwashed that the usual people spew!

    Oops! Willpower is gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rastraikis View Post
    Of course not! It's the same old BS about the unwashed that the usual people spew!

    Oops! Willpower is gone.
    Thought I missed something... Guess not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IrishBASTARD View Post
    Yeah lying and speaking in third person...are compeletly differnt ATMilkman. Grow up and stick to said subject matters...this one is HOMELESS people on trail...not how big of an ass you are,
    So wait... you are just speaking inthird person ?? i seem to remember this.....

    Quote Originally Posted by IrishBASTARD View Post
    Looking for "ROADSIDE" he has to be the coolest hiker I have met hands down. We chilled in Franklin & Hot Springs he averages about twenty a day...though I dont know how. Lost about forty pounds since starting...thousand cal diet a day. Just seems like a really down to Earth guy who isnt full of ****...but hiking hope. He has kept me from quitting thru texts and talking to me...where no one else cared. He is all about everyone finishing not just him...that means something. He s about 5'11 Brown/Red/Grey beard about two hundred pounds...always smiling and cheerful. You see him please tell him..."Jumping Johnnie" said whats up. Thanks everyone

    Thats not really speaking in third person..... thats speaking as ANOTHER person....... you would think someone with 2 masters degrees would know this diff... so weird


    ( just for anyone not understanding this, roadside and IB are the same person using 2 different accounts)

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    Lots of thru hikers are technically homeless. Lots of thru hikers beg for food. Too many thru hikers steal. If you got a problem with homeless people, the AT probably isn't the place to be.

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    Thru hikers like Katz steal boot laces.....
    Dogs are excellent judges of character, this fact goes a long way toward explaining why some people don't like being around them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaftye View Post
    Lots of thru hikers are technically homeless. Lots of thru hikers beg for food. Too many thru hikers steal. If you got a problem with homeless people, the AT probably isn't the place to be.
    amen brother! on more than one occasion, i've had the pleasure of sharing a shelter with a non-thru hiker homeless person. much more interesting conversation than most typical hikers, and not once did i feel in "danger". respect is a two-way street, if you give it, the chances are you'll get it: there's no need to treat someone differently in the woods just cuz they don't look like they just walked out of an REI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ljcsov View Post
    On a hike today, I came across a homeless camp near the Clarks Ferry shelter by the junction of the AT and Susquehanna trails. The individual has a large tent set up with a clothes line holding up jeans and bath towels, leading me to believe they are using the campsite for a residence. Others informed me that a man in jeans, note this was a hot day, was laying in the shelter without any gear. This leads me to believe that the person inhabiting the camp may be hanging around the shelter in an attempt to bum supplies. Hopefully the ridge runner finds this person and solves the issue. I would hate for a hiking planning to stay at the shelter to be possibly hassled by this person for any reason.

    Anyway, just a heads up for anyone planning on making camp in the area.
    Bold & color added.

    I am not an English major (far from it) and not tiring to criticize the OP. Just my opinion of how
    these boards can get out of control so fast. To me,It seems like the whole thing is built on pure
    speculation. See the type in Red.

    All he actual saw was a large tent with a clothes line, and a report of a guy at a shelter.
    Try this story on for size and see if it is even possible the whole thing has been misread.

    Lets see I have a huge tent(12lbs) that I can put up alone in a fairly good breeze, in about 10/15 minuets. In say a half hour I have unloaded my wet things (remember the rain last night or was it this morning?) strung some cord, hang my wet stuff. Now I am not a hiker. No I am a camper, so I don't have any of those fancy pants and shirts that I see the real hikers wearing. Oh, did I mention that the big tent is waiting for my buddy, his wife and my wife to get here latter. You see I was able to take a couple of days off. What was not evident by passer's by was I was just the first of 4 people that came out to the woods to camp for a few days. We get really tired of those State parks, and all comes that come with "camping" in a park like that. We just wanted to get away from it all (well most of it anyway). So, why am I up at the shelter? Can you think of a better landmark for the rest of the crew to aim for? Remember we are just lowly campers. Map reading and compass's are just not our thing.

    I think reasonable people would be able to see how the story above "could" have been what was going on that day.

    Again just my opinion, but an alternative to the speculation above ......



    ljcsov, This is really not a dis on you or your post. Just the way things can get out of control on the internet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tiquer View Post
    Bold & color added.

    I am not an English major (far from it) and not tiring to criticize the OP. Just my opinion of how
    these boards can get out of control so fast. To me,It seems like the whole thing is built on pure
    speculation. See the type in Red.

    All he actual saw was a large tent with a clothes line, and a report of a guy at a shelter.
    Try this story on for size and see if it is even possible the whole thing has been misread.

    Lets see I have a huge tent(12lbs) that I can put up alone in a fairly good breeze, in about 10/15 minuets. In say a half hour I have unloaded my wet things (remember the rain last night or was it this morning?) strung some cord, hang my wet stuff. Now I am not a hiker. No I am a camper, so I don't have any of those fancy pants and shirts that I see the real hikers wearing. Oh, did I mention that the big tent is waiting for my buddy, his wife and my wife to get here latter. You see I was able to take a couple of days off. What was not evident by passer's by was I was just the first of 4 people that came out to the woods to camp for a few days. We get really tired of those State parks, and all comes that come with "camping" in a park like that. We just wanted to get away from it all (well most of it anyway). So, why am I up at the shelter? Can you think of a better landmark for the rest of the crew to aim for? Remember we are just lowly campers. Map reading and compass's are just not our thing.

    I think reasonable people would be able to see how the story above "could" have been what was going on that day.

    Again just my opinion, but an alternative to the speculation above ......



    ljcsov, This is really not a dis on you or your post. Just the way things can get out of control on the internet.
    Oh, boy! I tried going there a while back, but by that time, everyone had decided this guy was homeless. Oh, and he was going to beg food off of hikers, and possibly mug them on the trail.

    I feel bad for the poor guy who pitched the tent in the first place! He was probably just out for a couple of days of camping near a trail...

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    Maybe I'll get up there again this weekend. My main concern was that his campsite was located near a major road and railroad, along with what other hikers had told me and the type of camp he set up made me believe that he was setting up a more permanent residence on the trail. I understand homeless people travel the trail and I think that is a place for them to find their way in life. However, I thought that many people frown upon more permanent camps set up on the trail, where these can lead to further issues. Nonetheless, I was hoping that this post might let someone know what to expect if they were going to camp at that particular site or the nearby shelter.

    I'm new to the overnight stuff and have done mostly dayhiking. During my hikes I've met plenty of "different" people on the trail and enjoy the conversation with them. Conversely, if I were spending the night alone at a shelter I think I would be a bit startled by someone wandering out of the woods in the dark without any sort of equipment.

    Anyway, most likely this person poses no risk to anyone passing through the area. I feel as though people blew a friendly message out of proportion. I would suppose that the ridge runner would deal with any permanent camp along the trail, since it is there duty prevent impact to the natural environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the goat View Post
    amen brother! on more than one occasion, i've had the pleasure of sharing a shelter with a non-thru hiker homeless person. much more interesting conversation than most typical hikers, and not once did i feel in "danger". respect is a two-way street, if you give it, the chances are you'll get it: there's no need to treat someone differently in the woods just cuz they don't look like they just walked out of an REI.
    Seconded and thirded or something. I've got some very close friends who are "homeless" by social standards and I open my home and my table to them. I feel a hell of a lot more endangered by your average SUV driving soccer mom slaloming through parking lots than those guys. Like any other people, you have to earn trust and respect but you also have to give it. Most of the time I'd rather bump into a homeless person in the woods than someone who doesn't know how to get by without a fridge and daily shower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scree View Post
    Most of the time I'd rather bump into a homeless person in the woods than someone who doesn't know how to get by without a fridge and daily shower.
    I would not like to see anyone camped out at an AT shelter or immediatley proximate to the Trail for an extended period of time, whether they be bikers, homeless, teenagers, or a scout group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickb View Post
    I would not like to see anyone camped out at an AT shelter or immediatley proximate to the Trail for an extended period of time, whether they be bikers, homeless, teenagers, or a scout group.
    Could you define extended? I agree with you, but question the use of the word extended. Is three days extended? One week?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickb View Post
    I would not like to see anyone camped out at an AT shelter or immediatley proximate to the Trail for an extended period of time, whether they be bikers, homeless, teenagers, or a scout group.

    Yes - I agree with this. I think that most folks' objection was that the OP, whether he meant to or not, gave a heads up because the person was homeless (information that he didn't apparently even ascertain). I don't think anyone here supports permanent encampments of any person or groups of people on the AT corridor. The objection (I think) was at the assumption that a homeless person camping near the trail merited a "heads up" because presumably dirty begging homeless people would cause problems for the good clean hikers. A homeless hiker camping (even for a couple of days in the same place) has every right to be where he is as I you or I do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TD55 View Post
    Could you define extended? I agree with you, but question the use of the word extended. Is three days extended? One week?
    My understanding (if I may jump in) is that it is legal to camp on National Forest land for up to 14 consecutive days at one location (which is obviously pushing it). I doubt that anyone is ever "timed" though unless they cause problems or are reported (e.g. you could probably get in 15 days). You could also probably move your camp an unspecified distance (presumably some reasonable distance (a mile?) for 14 more days and then return. I have camped for about 5 days in one location in a National Forest Wilderness Area - I assure you, no one would ever find that spot - not in years of trekking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa D View Post
    Yes - I agree with this. I think that most folks' objection was that the OP, whether he meant to or not, gave a heads up because the person was homeless (information that he didn't apparently even ascertain). I don't think anyone here supports permanent encampments of any person or groups of people on the AT corridor. The objection (I think) was at the assumption that a homeless person camping near the trail merited a "heads up" because presumably dirty begging homeless people would cause problems for the good clean hikers. A homeless hiker camping (even for a couple of days in the same place) has every right to be where he is as I you or I do.
    I focused immediately on the OP's characterization of a "homeless camp" and his belief that some individuals were "using the campsite for a residence".

    Rights aside, I would not like to see anyone setting up a semi-permanent residence along the trail or at a shelter, whether they are homeless or living large in a Prevost.

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    What triggered me to write this post was that it appeared to me that the camp was semi-permanent. I have came across known homeless encampments in random backwoods areas at other locations and it reminded me of what I had seen there. I didn't know that the "homeless" characterization of the camp was such a touchy subject. I apologize for not simply stating it appeared as if someone was living for an extended period of time right alongside the trail.

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    keep building shelters and they will come

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