Purchased pack at REI since the return policy is pretty liberal. Tried several different packs, the REI 65L seemed to be the best fit. But I believe it is quite a bit heavier than others. Also, the price was right. Last yrs model and was about $100 off. Have had it out on the trail testing and so far so good. Total pack wght was 33lbs. Did a short 1st jaunt around 5 miles.