Background on GSMNP closing to dogs, real history on the reasons.

[Sailing_Faith]

I am curious, and I know someone here must know. Why is this section closed to dogs?

Not interested in theories, I can come up with plenty of them... Nor the anti-dog-on-trail crowd, thanks.

When was GSMNP closed to dogs? What specific problems caused this? Most significantly, what (if any) input might be helpful in a decision to reverse it?

Thanks in advance,

[max patch]

Go to the source:

http://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/pets.htm

[Starchild]

The reasons listed can be found here:
http://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/pets.htm

[Sailing_Faith]

The reasons listed can be found here:
http://www.nps.gov/grsm/planyourvisit/pets.htm

Thanks for the link.

[HooKooDooKu]

GSMNP is closed to dogs basically because it is a National Park.

I don't know why, but the link Starchild provided is coming up pretty much empty at the moment. For anyone else experiencing similar problems, here is a similar page at a "National Parks" level.

[Wise Old Owl]

GSMNP is closed to dogs basically because it is a National Park.

I don't know why, but the link Starchild provided is coming up pretty much empty at the moment. For anyone else experiencing similar problems, here is a similar page at a "National Parks" level.

Bs - see dogs all the time here on the trail at Valley Forge.

dogs 2 them scare&cause chaos with wildlife. yet horses on the trail in gsmnp cause more damage 2 the trail than any other thing around cept nature,get my drift

welcome to my understanding...never understood this or that.. we all hike trails and spot coyotes, are they not a large dog? the gods are crazy - we can't fix it. Non dog lovers have fears, the environmental folk wrapped their heads on feces and bad behavior on owners. Specifically the dogs feces has e coli - and dogs chase squirrels... Yet you can go to a restaurant and get ice with e coli... Uh nuts.

[HooKooDooKu]

Bs - see dogs all the time here on the trail at Valley Forge.

Valley Forge is a poor comparison to GSMNP because VF is a National HISTORIC Park. It doesn't have a "back country" with camp sites.

And you can see by the general purpose rules listed on the link I provided, it seems to imply that, generally speaking, dogs are allowed in National Parks if kept on a leash, and that dogs are generally not allowed on [back country] trails.

Having said all that, I still don't understand why a place like GSMNP allows horses on roughly half of all its trails. I know it has something to so with the fact horses were historically used to get around the Great Smoky Mountains. But still...

[Slo-go'en]

Given the reasons cited on the park web site, you'll never get them to reverse the no dog policy. Good thing too, if we had to deal with both over crowded shelters AND thier dogs, it would be unbareable.

[Starchild]

As for getting it reversed, it is well demonstrated that AT Thru hikers get special privileges and this includes legal ones - including at this very park. I think your best shot, and I'm not really for dogs on trails, would be to argue, state the case that you are not visiting the park, but traversing a public byway.

[wicca witch]

dogs 2 them scare&cause chaos with wildlife. yet horses on the trail in gsmnp cause more damage 2 the trail than any other thing around cept nature,get my drift

[Symba]

I'm a dog lover, I have three Mountain Curs I saved from a local shelter. With that said, I was pretty annoyed that I saw a dog every day in the 100 mile wilderness in Maine on the AT. Governor Baxter donated all that land with one specific rule that states 'no dogs.' No dogs because they were not originally natural to the area and they also scare off wild life. When I did that section over a week ago with a new found friend I was in my glory. It was spectacular to be in such a natural setting. I went there without a dog; but found some people don't follow by the laws and if they can get away with it they will. Rules aren't made to be broken, society today seems to think so. These people all violated my right to a peaceful environment. They may have caused a negative effect on my experience in Baxter park. Dogs mark areas, use sent glands and urine, the trail may have become an area other animals would avoid due to this. No matter how big or small the dog it happens naturally when the animal is introduced to the environment. Baxter wanted to avoid this issue and keep it as natural as possible. (then again I may have also lost my mind out there since I did hear Indian Chanting when I was alone in certain parts of the trail, that will never go away in my head, I still hear it and find it may have been a spiritual happenstance that helped me get through a rough hike). Love the trail, follow the rules for the greater good and not the 'I' mentality of living; we are all connected. Godspeed my friends. ~Dr. R.

[Starchild]

I'm a dog lover, I have three Mountain Curs I saved from a local shelter. With that said, I was pretty annoyed that I saw a dog every day in the 100 mile wilderness in Maine on the AT. Governor Baxter donated all that land with one specific rule that states 'no dogs.' No dogs because they were not originally natural to the area and they also scare off wild life. When I did that section over a week ago with a new found friend I was in my glory. It was spectacular to be in such a natural setting. I went there without a dog; but found some people don't follow by the laws and if they can get away with it they will. Rules aren't made to be broken, society today seems to think so. These people all violated my right to a peaceful environment. They may have caused a negative effect on my experience in Baxter park. Dogs mark areas, use sent glands and urine, the trail may have become an area other animals would avoid due to this. No matter how big or small the dog it happens naturally when the animal is introduced to the environment. Baxter wanted to avoid this issue and keep it as natural as possible. (then again I may have also lost my mind out there since I did hear Indian Chanting when I was alone in certain parts of the trail, that will never go away in my head, I still hear it and find it may have been a spiritual happenstance that helped me get through a rough hike). Love the trail, follow the rules for the greater good and not the 'I' mentality of living; we are all connected. Godspeed my friends. ~Dr. R.

I believe dogs are allowed in the 100 mile wilderness, but not in Baxter State Park - different area, different rules and laws.

[Symba]

My bad, your completely correct there, I am off tilt as of lately. Where the hell am I? LOL.Either way, my point is in the post.

[Hill Ape]

are parrots allowed? arrrrrrgh I like to hike like the pirates, with a bird on my shoulder

[Symba]

are parrots allowed? arrrrrrgh I like to hike like the pirates, with a bird on my shoulder

A messenger bird would be pretty cool!

[RED-DOG]

The GSMNP is closed to dogs because they HARRASE the wild life.

[The Greenman]

are parrots allowed? arrrrrrgh I like to hike like the pirates, with a bird on my shoulder

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe only "Norwegian" parrots are permitted on certain sections of the AT.

[Gray Bear]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe only "Norwegian" parrots are permitted on certain sections of the AT.

I think you're confusing the Norwegian parrot with the African Swallow

[Dogwood]

Starchild's NP link, which came up for me, about sums it up. NPs are places that were designed for humans(and man's best friend) to be visitors in another's home keeping in context the often wilderness settings that exist there.

[CrumbSnatcher]

dog poop is toxic to the birds, they eat the dog poop and it kills them
the horses are grandfathered in