Are you OK with memorials being placed in the Three Ridges Wilderness?

[bfayer]

I don't think anyone on here is arguing that this is the best way to accomplish her goals, but we didn't get a vote on her plans. All I am saying and I think others agree, is that although we might have gone about this in another way, what she is doing has purpose, and we don't have any significant objections to the way she is going about it. Nothing she is doing is causing irreversible damage to areas she is leaving the flags.

My view is "Ok, not the best idea, but if it gets even one person to think about the people in this country that have given everything to preserve our liberty and security, then I am not going to nit pick about the way she is doing it.". I'll just give her a simple "Thank You", and move on.

[Rasputen]

I walked along a wooded path
whereby I stumbled upon a tattered flag
The inscription read: PFC Fallen Hero
I saluted and remembered..

[MuddyWaters]

doesnt bother me really
but no, they dont belong there, no one will see them
what if everyone left something in the woods

it would seem on public lands that they might need to request some sort of permit for something like that, and it would probably be denied.

[Rain Man]

WE send these men and women into harm's way ....

Who is this "WE" you speak for?

Rain Man

.

[bfayer]

Who is this "WE" you speak for?

Rain Man

.

My take on his use of 'We" is "Our Nation".

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[aficion]

The same we as in "We the people", I expect; we who vote anyway.

[Tuckahoe]

My take on his use of 'We" is "Our Nation".

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The same we as in "We the people", I expect; we who vote anyway.

Some folks get it.

[Gambit McCrae]

Rainman always like to ask indirect troll type questions like that lol even though he gets it he likes to take it offensively.

I dont like the idea of people placing flags or ribbons for what they think is important... because of course everyone can agree that people have the right to the have "importanties" so now we let fallen soldiers have a ribbon, why on the AT I do not know. But next I think we should breast cancer awareness pink ribbons on the trail. Oh and gay rights people? they should prolly tie a little rainbow ribbon on a limb or two... Now Peta...oh boy they need lots of ribbons but what about the pow's? Now we are running out of limbs and shelters and staffs

[bfayer]

...But next I think we should breast cancer awareness pink ribbons on the trail. Oh and gay rights people? they should prolly tie a little rainbow ribbon on a limb or two... Now Peta...oh boy they need lots of ribbons but what about the pow's? Now we are running out of limbs and shelters and staffs

I have seen everyone of those things while hiking, especially the breast cancer awareness stuff.

Did I think it was a good idea? No, did it bother me? well I did get tired of seeing pink ribbons after awhile, but no it didn't bother me.

As for Rain Man, I have never met him, but from reading his posts he seems like an OK guy to me.

He has strong beliefs and stands up for them. Nothing wrong with that.

[Tuckahoe]

Rainman is more than just an ok guy. Three years ago my dad was back in Nashville visiting family when he was seriously injured in a motorcycle accident. I was out there two and a half months looking after dad and in that time I had a stranger --Rainman -- give me his phone number and an open offer to go somewhere if I needed a break. I also got a few emails checking up on me.

I never got to meet him but I have always been grateful of his offer and kindness.

[Hot Flash]

I have no problem with memorials as long as they don't destroy anything, don't litter on anything, and aren't religious in nature. Religious displays have no business being on public lands.

[JAK]

I have no problem with memorials as long as they don't destroy anything, don't litter on anything, and aren't religious in nature. Religious displays have no business being on public lands.

That's what Nero days are for.

[aficion]

I have no problem with memorials as long as they don't destroy anything, don't litter on anything, and aren't religious in nature. Religious displays have no business being on public lands.

As I understand it we live in a land that embraces freedom of religion, not freedom from it.

[bfayer]

As I understand it we live in a land that embraces freedom of religion, not freedom from it.

Yea that whole "free exercise thereof" thing. confuses a lot of people

[hikerboy57]

Yea that whole "free exercise thereof" thing. confuses a lot of people

although it acknowledges freedom of religion, it also dictates separation of church and state.so now you need to think about how to memorialize christian soldiers in wilderness areas.

[bfayer]

although it acknowledges freedom of religion, it also dictates separation of church and state.so now you need to think about how to memorialize christian soldiers in wilderness areas.

It does not dictate "separation of church and state", it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

But even if it did dictate a separation of church and state, that effects what the government can do, not what a private citizen can do.

The generalization of the first amendment by using the phase "separation of church and state", does not overrule the actual text of the first amendment.

Once we start redefining one part of the first amendment to favor government restrictions on protected behavior, the other parts will quickly follow.

Be careful what you ask for.

[hikerboy57]

It does not dictate "separation of church and state", it says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

But even if it did dictate a separation of church and state, that effects what the government can do, not what a private citizen can do.

The generalization of the first amendment by using the phase "separation of church and state", does not overrule the actual text of the first amendment.

Once we start redefining one part of the first amendment to favor government restrictions on protected behavior, the other parts will quickly follow.

Be careful what you ask for.

id rather keep both church and state out of the woods.including memorials in designated wilderness areas.

[Another Kevin]

WE send these men and women into harm's way to a life of sheer terror, privation and filth, make their families orphans and widows; whine about closed national parks without a peep for the soldier who may not be paid because of politcal games... and we are now going to whine and debate about temporary memorials to those that have died for us?

Do not confuse a difference of opinion - on whether this is the most appropriate way (or, indeed, an appropriate way at all) to honour the memory of our dead, with a difference of principle - on whether our dead deserve the honours. (Or read my original post again: how I feel on this subject is best summarized by: "It's complicated.")

I happen to believe that it would be far better to put the memorials in the public square, where far more will pass and remember, and where gratitude will not be mixed with puzzlement at, "why here?"

[bfayer]

id rather keep both church and state out of the woods.including memorials in designated wilderness areas.

Fair enough. I respect that.

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[hikerboy57]

Fair enough. I respect that.

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mutual respect is a wonderful thing. we can agree to disagree with civility.