How Big of an Issue is Lyme Disease Today on the AT

[tdoczi]

heres another link for all of you to read-

http://www.cdc.gov/drugresistance/about.html

[Sandy of PA]

The tick that gave me Lyme disease was attached for about 12 hours. I am not sure why people think it takes more than 24 hours and neither does my Doctor.

[tdoczi]

a simple, relevant highlight of the above link-

The use of antibiotics is the single most important factor leading to antibiotic resistance around the world. Simply using antibiotics creates resistance. These drugs should only be used to manage infections.

[tdoczi]

The tick that gave me Lyme disease was attached for about 12 hours. I am not sure why people think it takes more than 24 hours and neither does my Doctor.

there are exceptions to everything. that doesnt mean general rules should be discarded or that because there was one exception the rule is completely wrong.

that or you already had lyme disease from another tick you never even knew you had and were either asymptomatic or the symptoms passed without you thinking anything of it.

[BirdBrain]

well pardon me for simplifying the idea. do you disagree with the notion that a thru hiker carrying doxy is going to use it whether or not the tick has been attached for 24 hours or 36?i mean really, we an exchange ideas or you can go the semantics route in attempt to make it seem like i dont know what im talking about. or you can listen to the RN who doesnt know what antibiotic resistance is.

I disagree with the premise that either of us could possibly know what another person would do given that choice, let alone a claim that all would take the pill. My original post on the subject was a rhetorical query, not a know it all claim.

[Sarcasm the elf]

And now that we passed 200 posts, a quick update on stats:

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/misc...osted&t=115236

[tdoczi]

I disagree with the premise that either of us could possibly know what another person would do given that choice, let alone a claim that all would take the pill. My original post on the subject was a rhetorical query, not a know it all claim.

you're unable to make an educated guess based on your experiences of human nature?

so if i say to you a group of thirsty hikers who havent found any water in the desert for 24 hours comes upon a spring, do you think they will take a drink? your answer is "i have no way of knowing?"

[tdoczi]

And now that we passed 200 posts, a quick update on stats:

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/misc...osted&t=115236

considering youve made roughly 3x as many posts since joining as i have, and we both joined at roughly the same time, i'm not sure i see your point.

[BirdBrain]

you're unable to make an educated guess based on your experiences of human nature?

so if i say to you a group of thirsty hikers who havent found any water in the desert for 24 hours comes upon a spring, do you think they will take a drink? your answer is "i have no way of knowing?"

Here we go comparing the incompatible again. The hiker will die without the water. I have pulled plenty of ticks off my body. I am still breathing.

Thank you for rescuing me Elf. This will be my last post on this subject.

Argue and assume away.

[tdoczi]

I have pulled plenty of ticks off my body. I am still breathing.

inadvertently perhaps the smartest thing said in this thread.

[Dogwood]

Here are the states with reported cases. I'd certainly take some precautionary actions in the northeast on the AT. http://www.cdc.gov/lyme/stats/maps.html

[squeezebox]

And just maybe get tested every so often, just in case. No reason to panic, less reason to ignore it.

[Traveler]

And just maybe get tested every so often, just in case. No reason to panic, less reason to ignore it.

Not a bad idea really, for those who spend significant time in the woods it may make sense to order that test with routine testing done during physicals.

[Don H]

And now that we passed 200 posts, a quick update on stats:

http://www.whiteblaze.net/forum/misc...osted&t=115236

Didn't know you could pull up stats on a thread. Anyway I'm now one ahead of you

[TheEngineer]

Coinfections are common with lyme disease. 32% of those with lyme also had Babesiosis, or so says https://www.lymedisease.org/.

1. Do we have accurate statistics for the AT? How many infected and with what.

2. Isn't it time we started spraying shelters and surrounding areas?

3. The next time you see Bambi or any of it's cousins peacefully grazing, take out a sling shot and let them have it (better yet, a .270 Winchester). They are vectors for the disease.

[mulligan54]

I left the trail 2 years ago around Bland Va headed north. Turns out I had Rocky Mtn Spotted Tick Fever. Took me two months to get better, tired all the time and had no sense of balance. Some people have told me that I could not have gotten it this far east, but I have the blood test to prove it. Next time its long sleeves and pants with permethrin and lots of bug spray. Constant body checks too.

[squeezebox]

you're an RN and you dont know what antibiotic resistance is? honestly, i'm not that surprised. so is my sister and she probably doesnt know either.

in all seriousness, ive provided more than 1 link here to legit, unquestionable sources describing what it is and your understanding of it is incomplete at best, sorry to say.

Just maybe you don't understand the issue. I've talked to many infection specialist physicians concerning our patients. Have you? My guess is that you've been reading misinformation from unqualifed sources. When you've spent some time in an ICU you can respond, until then!!

[tdoczi]

Just maybe you don't understand the issue. I've talked to many infection specialist physicians concerning our patients. Have you? My guess is that you've been reading misinformation from unqualifed sources. When you've spent some time in an ICU you can respond, until then!!

do you consider the CDC, the WHO and tufts medical center unreliable sources of information? ive posted links to information about antibiotic resistance in this thread and while aprt of your description of it is accurate, you miss the point and the depth and breadth of the issue by a mile. you can work in all the ICUs you want, i dont care, you are wrong.

here is another link if you dont want to go find the others ive already posted. i mean seriously, get over yourself and stop with the "i am a nurse i know better" routine. your description is wrong.

http://www.bbc.com/news/health-27204988

[tdoczi]

Just maybe you don't understand the issue. I've talked to many infection specialist physicians concerning our patients. Have you? My guess is that you've been reading misinformation from unqualifed sources. When you've spent some time in an ICU you can respond, until then!!

here is a link i posted earlier-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b08cda3489980e

i draw your attention in particular to this paragraph, as you have expressed the same incorrect concept of what antibiotic resistance is-

Three-quarters of respondents think antibiotic resistance means the body is resistant to the drugs, for example, whereas in fact it is the bacteria themselves that become resistant to antibiotics, and their spread causes hard-to-treat infections.

[squeezebox]

here is a link i posted earlier-

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b08cda3489980e

i draw your attention in particular to this paragraph, as you have expressed the same incorrect concept of what antibiotic resistance is-

Three-quarters of respondents think antibiotic resistance means the body is resistant to the drugs, for example, whereas in fact it is the bacteria themselves that become resistant to antibiotics, and their spread causes hard-to-treat infections.

Please submit your qualifications to enter this discussion. Because you obviously just don't know.
You are right on the above. But please your license # etc.